Benazir Bhutto Assasinated (3 Viewers)

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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there is no doubt in my mind now that Musharraf is allied with Al Qaeda

nice of him to pretend that he is allied with the USA, only to take our money, while he lets the Taliban and Al Qaeda operate freely in Pakistan :tdown:
who do you think was your principal tactical ally in the "war against terror" in Afghanistan? Turkey?
 

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Vinman

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Musharaff should be a pretty good actor too.To stage all those attempts on his life while being an Al Qaeda buddy:shifty:
if they wanted him bad enough, they would have gotten to him by now (it would have no doubt been an inside job)

who do you think was your principal tactical ally in the "war against terror" in Afghanistan? Turkey?
:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

hahahaha.... you're kidding right ?

it might as well have been Turkey, because Pakistan has done FUCK ALL for us, considering all the money we've given them

if they wanted to get rid of Al Qaeda and the Taliban then they would either let us come into Pakistan and wipe them out, or do it themselves.

neither has happened, so these thugs can create all sorts of trouble in Afghanistan, and then flee to Pakistan where they are untouchable

great fucking government that Pakistan has.....:pado:
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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if they wanted him bad enough, they would have gotten to him by now (it would have no doubt been an inside job)



:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

hahahaha.... you're kidding right ?

it might as well have been Turkey, because Pakistan has done FUCK ALL for us, considering all the money we've given them

if they wanted to get rid of Al Qaeda and the Taliban then they would either let us come into Pakistan and wipe them out, or do it themselves.

neither has happened, so these thugs can create all sorts of trouble in Afghanistan, and then flee to Pakistan where they are untouchable

great fucking government that Pakistan has.....:pado:

yea...thats why Armitage threatened to bomb us if we didn't "co-operate" with the US in their invasion of Afghanistan
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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#64
THE BHUTTO ASSASSINATION: NOT WHAT SHE SEEMED TO BE




December 28, 2007 -- FOR the next several days, you're going to read and hear a great deal of pious nonsense in the wake of the assassination of Pakistan's former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto.
Her country's better off without her. She may serve Pakistan better after her death than she did in life.
We need have no sympathy with her Islamist assassin and the extremists behind him to recognize that Bhutto was corrupt, divisive, dishonest and utterly devoid of genuine concern for her country.
She was a splendid con, persuading otherwise cynical Western politicians and "hardheaded" journalists that she was not only a brave woman crusading in the Islamic wilderness, but also a thoroughbred democrat.
In fact, Bhutto was a frivolously wealthy feudal landlord amid bleak poverty. The scion of a thieving political dynasty, she was always more concerned with power than with the wellbeing of the average Pakistani. Her program remained one of old-school patronage, not increased productivity or social decency.
Educated in expensive Western schools, she permitted Pakistan's feeble education system to rot - opening the door to Islamists and their religious schools.
During her years as prime minister, Pakistan went backward, not forward. Her husband looted shamelessly and ended up fleeing the country, pursued by the courts. The Islamist threat - which she artfully played both ways - spread like cancer.
But she always knew how to work Westerners - unlike the hapless Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who sought the best for his tormented country but never knew how to package himself.
Military regimes are never appealing to Western sensibilities. Yet, there are desperate hours when they provide the only, slim hope for a country nearing collapse. Democracy is certainly preferable - but, unfortunately, it's not always immediately possible. Like spoiled children, we have to have it now - and damn the consequences.
In Pakistan, the military has its own forms of graft; nonetheless, it remains the least corrupt institution in the country and the only force holding an unnatural state together. In Pakistan back in the '90s, the only people I met who cared a whit about the common man were military officers. Americans don't like to hear that. But it's the truth.


Bhutto embodied the flaws in Pakistan's political system, not its potential salvation. Both she and her principal rival, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, failed to offer a practical vision for the future - their political feuds were simply about who would divvy up the spoils.
From its founding, Pakistan has been plagued by cults of personality, by personal, feudal loyalties that stymied the development of healthy government institutions (provoking coups by a disgusted military). When she held the reins of government, Bhutto did nothing to steer in a new direction - she merely sought to enhance her personal power.
Now she's dead. And she may finally render her country a genuine service (if cynical party hacks don't try to blame Musharraf for their own benefit). After the inevitable rioting subsides and the spectacular conspiracy theories cool a bit, her murder may galvanize Pakistanis against the Islamist extremists who've never gained great support among voters, but who nonetheless threaten the state's ability to govern.
As a victim of fanaticism, Bhutto may shine as a rallying symbol with a far purer light than she cast while alive. The bitter joke is that, while she was never serious about freedom, women's rights and fighting terrorism, the terrorists took her rhetoric seriously - and killed her for her words, not her actions.
Nothing's going to make Pakistan's political crisis disappear - this crisis may be permanent, subject only to intermittent amelioration. (Our State Department's policy toward Islamabad amounts to a pocket full of platitudes, nostalgia for the 20th century and a liberal version of the white man's burden mindset.)
The one slim hope is that this savage murder will - in the long term - clarify their lot for Pakistan's citizens. The old ways, the old personalities and old parties have failed them catastrophically. The country needs new leaders - who don't think an election victory entitles them to grab what little remains of the national patrimony.
In killing Bhutto, the Islamists over-reached (possibly aided by rogue elements in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, one of the murkiest outfits on this earth). Just as al Qaeda in Iraq overplayed its hand and alienated that country's Sunni Arabs, this assassination may disillusion Pakistanis who lent half an ear to Islamist rhetoric. A creature of insatiable ambition, Bhutto will now become a martyr. In death, she may pay back some of the enormous debt she owes her country

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HelterSkelter

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    :lol:.Yes Vinman,Im sure the biggest worry for the president of one of the most dangerous countries in the world right now is the number of attempts he stages on his life.That ofcourse,is of prime importance.Lets screw everything else.

    You obviously dont know shit about Al Qaeda or their mentality,or the mentality of the people who support them,or what its like being in a country right next to their base camp,or how hard it is to wipe them out.To you,its pretty easy,no?.Yeah,lets ask your moronic president to send his forces here so he can clean up the mess brilliantly the same way he cleaned up the mess in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     

    Vinman

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    yea...thats why Armitage threatened to bomb us if we didn't "co-operate" with the US in their invasion of Afghanistan
    and what source are you quoting, The National Enquirer ??

    that was never said

    :lol:.Yes Vinman,Im sure the biggest worry for the president of one of the most dangerous countries in the world right now is the number of attempts he stages on his life.That ofcourse,is of prime importance.Lets screw everything else.

    You obviously dont know shit about Al Qaeda or their mentality,or the mentality of the people who support them,or what its like being in a country right next to their base camp,or how hard it is to wipe them out.To you,its pretty easy,no?.Yeah,lets ask your moronic president to send his forces here so he can clean up the mess brilliantly the same way he cleaned up the mess in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    I think I've got enough training in the subject to know what Al Qaeda is all about...more so than you, my friend (unless you happen to be a member :p)

    Obviously Pakistan has the best idea...pretend nothing is going on within their country, and hope for the best. Your two-faced president is in bed with them, and has everyone fooled, including my moronic president.
     
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    HelterSkelter

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    Actually no.All you know is what Al Qaeda does,like the rest of the world.Unless you've been to Pakistan or Afghanistan,your knowledge on an Islamic Extremist from this part of the world will remain limited.Im not talking about the actions here.Im talk about the manner in which their minds work.

    The armitage quote btw,is a fact.Look it up on Google if you want.Its mentioned in Musharraf's Memoir too..and it was reported by CNN and BBC too back in the day,although it wasnt all that hyped up in the news.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Mar 16, 2004
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    THE BHUTTO ASSASSINATION: NOT WHAT SHE SEEMED TO BE




    December 28, 2007 -- FOR the next several days, you're going to read and hear a great deal of pious nonsense in the wake of the assassination of Pakistan's former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto.
    Her country's better off without her. She may serve Pakistan better after her death than she did in life.
    We need have no sympathy with her Islamist assassin and the extremists behind him to recognize that Bhutto was corrupt, divisive, dishonest and utterly devoid of genuine concern for her country.
    She was a splendid con, persuading otherwise cynical Western politicians and "hardheaded" journalists that she was not only a brave woman crusading in the Islamic wilderness, but also a thoroughbred democrat.
    In fact, Bhutto was a frivolously wealthy feudal landlord amid bleak poverty. The scion of a thieving political dynasty, she was always more concerned with power than with the wellbeing of the average Pakistani. Her program remained one of old-school patronage, not increased productivity or social decency.
    Educated in expensive Western schools, she permitted Pakistan's feeble education system to rot - opening the door to Islamists and their religious schools.
    During her years as prime minister, Pakistan went backward, not forward. Her husband looted shamelessly and ended up fleeing the country, pursued by the courts. The Islamist threat - which she artfully played both ways - spread like cancer.
    But she always knew how to work Westerners - unlike the hapless Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who sought the best for his tormented country but never knew how to package himself.
    Military regimes are never appealing to Western sensibilities. Yet, there are desperate hours when they provide the only, slim hope for a country nearing collapse. Democracy is certainly preferable - but, unfortunately, it's not always immediately possible. Like spoiled children, we have to have it now - and damn the consequences.
    In Pakistan, the military has its own forms of graft; nonetheless, it remains the least corrupt institution in the country and the only force holding an unnatural state together. In Pakistan back in the '90s, the only people I met who cared a whit about the common man were military officers. Americans don't like to hear that. But it's the truth.


    Bhutto embodied the flaws in Pakistan's political system, not its potential salvation. Both she and her principal rival, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, failed to offer a practical vision for the future - their political feuds were simply about who would divvy up the spoils.
    From its founding, Pakistan has been plagued by cults of personality, by personal, feudal loyalties that stymied the development of healthy government institutions (provoking coups by a disgusted military). When she held the reins of government, Bhutto did nothing to steer in a new direction - she merely sought to enhance her personal power.
    Now she's dead. And she may finally render her country a genuine service (if cynical party hacks don't try to blame Musharraf for their own benefit). After the inevitable rioting subsides and the spectacular conspiracy theories cool a bit, her murder may galvanize Pakistanis against the Islamist extremists who've never gained great support among voters, but who nonetheless threaten the state's ability to govern.
    As a victim of fanaticism, Bhutto may shine as a rallying symbol with a far purer light than she cast while alive. The bitter joke is that, while she was never serious about freedom, women's rights and fighting terrorism, the terrorists took her rhetoric seriously - and killed her for her words, not her actions.
    Nothing's going to make Pakistan's political crisis disappear - this crisis may be permanent, subject only to intermittent amelioration. (Our State Department's policy toward Islamabad amounts to a pocket full of platitudes, nostalgia for the 20th century and a liberal version of the white man's burden mindset.)
    The one slim hope is that this savage murder will - in the long term - clarify their lot for Pakistan's citizens. The old ways, the old personalities and old parties have failed them catastrophically. The country needs new leaders - who don't think an election victory entitles them to grab what little remains of the national patrimony.
    In killing Bhutto, the Islamists over-reached (possibly aided by rogue elements in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, one of the murkiest outfits on this earth). Just as al Qaeda in Iraq overplayed its hand and alienated that country's Sunni Arabs, this assassination may disillusion Pakistanis who lent half an ear to Islamist rhetoric. A creature of insatiable ambition, Bhutto will now become a martyr. In death, she may pay back some of the enormous debt she owes her country

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    What a load of fuckin' crap. And you fools wonder why your lives over there will be perpetually filled with fools blowing your asses straight to hell. Lets applaud the bombing of all sorts of people, not just a female leader.

    With the way you treat women as second-rate citizens over there, you can see this sort of thing coming no matter what sort of leader Benazir Bhutto happened to be. Fact is, you lot are afraid of women.
     

    Ahmed

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    What a load of fuckin' crap. And you fools wonder why your lives over there will be perpetually filled with fools blowing your asses straight to hell. Lets applaud the bombing of all sorts of people, not just a female leader.

    With the way you treat women as second-rate citizens over there, you can see this sort of thing coming no matter what sort of leader Benazir Bhutto happened to be. Fact is, you lot are afraid of women.
    When the fuck did u ever see a Pakistani woman being treated as a 2nd-rate citizen? And ppl "perpetually" blowing themselves up? Nice...actually i am not surprised....Americans continue to prove that they are the most retarded and ignorant people in the world...and we are afraid of women? We chose a woman as the leader of our nation b4 u...
     

    Bjerknes

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    When the fuck did u ever see a Pakistani woman being treated as a 2nd-rate citizen? And ppl "perpetually" blowing themselves up? Nice...actually i am not surprised....Americans continue to prove that they are the most retarded and ignorant people in the world...and we are afraid of women? We chose a woman as the leader of our nation b4 u...
    Yeah, I'm such an ignorant American, yet I can throw out a name such as General Zia, a bullheaded imbecile who had a dick the size of a chopped-up tooth pick, horrified by the thought of a female doing anything even remotely productive in society, that fucking fool. As Paul once said, jog on, son.
     

    Zé Tahir

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    Yeah, I'm such an ignorant American, yet I can throw out a name such as General Zia, a bullheaded imbecile who had a dick the size of a chopped-up tooth pick, horrified by the thought of a female doing anything even remotely productive in society, that fucking fool. As Paul once said, jog on, son.
    :lol2:
     

    Zé Tahir

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    What a load of fuckin' crap. And you fools wonder why your lives over there will be perpetually filled with fools blowing your asses straight to hell. Lets applaud the bombing of all sorts of people, not just a female leader.

    With the way you treat women as second-rate citizens over there, you can see this sort of thing coming no matter what sort of leader Benazir Bhutto happened to be. Fact is, you lot are afraid of women.
    2nd rate? :lol2:

    Last time I checked we elected a female to lead our country twice, you haven't done it even once.
     

    Bjerknes

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    2nd rate? :lol2:

    Last time I checked we elected a female to lead our country twice, you haven't done it even once.
    Don't get me wrong, Tahir, I like Pakistan. But I still cannot get over how people can think women are treated as equals with men over in the Middle East, Islamic teaching or not. It just isn't so.
     

    Zé Tahir

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    Don't get me wrong, Tahir, I like Pakistan. But I still cannot get over how people can think women are treated as equals with men over in the Middle East, Islamic teaching or not. It just isn't so.
    I know what you mean dude, but the biggest problem with this post is that Pakistan's not in the middle east.
     

    Bjerknes

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    I know what you mean dude, but the biggest problem with this post is that Pakistan's not in the middle east.
    So what the fuck is the Middle East then? Is there a "Committee to Define the Boundaries of the Middle East," movement, or is this just some stuff to wrongfully discredit an American's geographical knowledge again? Look up any map regarding the Middle East and Pakistan is indeed shown. It's not like we're talking about continents here. Pakistan is more "Middle East" than Tripoli, whatever the hell that even means.
     

    Lion

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    Jan 24, 2007
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    Don't get me wrong, Tahir, I like Pakistan. But I still cannot get over how people can think women are treated as equals with men over in the Middle East, Islamic teaching or not. It just isn't so.
    true there is a problem with the treating women in the middle east most of it is because of idiotic tribal like rules rather than religious ones.

    It's not like women were treated as equals to men in the western world for long anyways (even till this day they aren't in many cases) . hell it wasn't until the early to late 20th century until women were given equal rights. FFS Europe was burning women in witch hunts not too long ago (history wise)

    rest of the world are not saints. there are very few cultures in the world that actually treated women and men as equals all through history, unfortunately.
     

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