Azzurri Thread (80 Viewers)

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Maybe. Depends when did this happen. I don't see policemen in front of the stand where the Serbian fans are so this happened early, before the match kicked off. Also, the ones who provoke the Serbian fans with the water don't look to me like people from the security.
How did these guys manage to find water hoses? Why were they allowed to use them on the Serbian fans?

All these questions will undoubtedly be asked by UEFA.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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no its pointless because we all saw what the motives were, and they had little to do with italy or its ultras.
It's pointless if the question is: Were the Serbian fans still going to do what they did even without this?

In that case the answer is yes and it's pointless. But only if that can be proven.
UEFA won't judge on "what if". They will judge on what actually happened.

If UEFA confirm that the Serbian FA warned them, if it's proven that the Italian FA was warned, then videos like the one above might just be the icing on the cake for the Serbs in their attempt not to lose this match 3:0.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Seriously, people are using the hose as justification for trouble that had already been occuring hours before, when the Serbian ultras have already said why they caused trouble?

This is a tiny incident, and they only use that hose in response.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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It's pointless if the question is: Were the Serbian fans still going to do what they did even without this?

In that case the answer is yes and it's pointless. But only if that can be proven.
UEFA won't judge on "what if". They will judge on what actually happened.

If UEFA confirm that the Serbian FA warned them, if it's proven that the Italian FA was warned, then videos like the one above might just be the icing on the cake for the Serbs in their attempt not to lose this match 3:0.

first off, i dont think serbia should lose this game, but they actually need to be thrown out of int. competition for at least 2-3 years. As for proof, all the burden is on the serbs to clutch on a mc d's straw bucket, imo warning the italian FA doesnt shift responsibility and its about time Serbian football got in line with euro conventions.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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first off, i dont think serbia should lose this game, but they actually need to be thrown out of int. competition for at least 2-3 years. As for proof, all the burden is on the serbs to clutch on a mc d's straw bucket, imo warning the italian FA doesnt shift responsibility and its about time Serbian football got in line with euro conventions.
I know and follow Serbian fan scene very well and I completely agree that very severe measures must be taken against them. Yes, maybe even something as drastic as banning their national team.

It's not about what I think or you think. We already repeated our opinion here many times, all of us.
I'm telling you how might UEFA look at everything.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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The biggest problem isn't really whether the match is given as a 3-0 (any other time it would without any issue, but not now, strange that) or whether Serbia are thrown out (massively unlikely), but the fact that this has been allowed to turn into shifting blame. There is no blame shifting, those guys came to cause a lot of trouble, they caused a lot of trouble, and got what they wanted. Regardless. Unless you are suggesting all Serbian fans (of which some are just going to watch a match) should be held in custody or herded up around from around Genoa before the game then it doesn't matter whether they have flares or wire cutters, they would smash up seats, railings and the interior of the stadium and throw that.

Sure, x, y and z can be done better, hindsight is a wonderful thing, we can use this mentality for every event in the history of man kind. The Serbian hooligans are the instigators of this trouble and the Serbian FA are directly responsible for letting hardcore hooligans get to games like this. They shouldn't even be allowed to home games in the country never mind travel to away games. So for them to come out now and try to pass the blame is actually shameful, they talk about how ashamed they are with the events and what a dark day it is for Serbian football but now they realise that they might be able to get away with it with just a fine or minor sanctions they will blame someone else. Who better than Italy? If UEFA pander to them again then it just says all you need to know about this organization.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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I still can't believe that you seriously think that Italy are always victims and that UEFA hates them.
What are you backing this with?

Why "everyone else but Italy"?
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I changed that on reflection, just found it funny how this is even an issue, if a game gets abandoned in such fashion it is a default 3-0, done. Why the reflection, why is it an issue? I say it because Italy has had it's problems in the past, in domestic games, and it gives credibility to the ridiculous.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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This incident honestly has almost nothing at all to do with Italy. It honestly doesn't even belong in this thread.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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I know and follow Serbian fan scene very well and I completely agree that very severe measures must be taken against them. Yes, maybe even something as drastic as banning their national team.

It's not about what I think or you think. We already repeated our opinion here many times, all of us.
I'm telling you how might UEFA look at everything.
gotcha, in that case it is more than veracity of argument at stake, many other factors will come in play money being the obvious one
 

The Curr

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Feb 3, 2007
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Hooligans 'would've killed Stojkovic'


Serb player Andelko Djuricic reveals “if we hadn’t protected him, the hooligans would’ve killed Vladimir Stojkovic” on the team bus in Genoa.

It is still unclear what exactly happened when the squad was attacked on its way to the Stadio Luigi Ferraris for the Euro 2012 qualifier.

First choice goalkeeper Stojkovic refused to even sit on the bench and was found hiding in the Italian locker room before kick-off.

“The problem of hooliganism in Serbia is truly serious,” said goalkeeper Djuricic as he returned to club duty at Portugal’s Uniao Leiria.

“First the fans set fire to the entrance of our hotel, then they threw rocks at the team bus. Eventually they climbed on to the bus and sought out Stojkovic with a violence I’ve never seen before.

“I really think that if we hadn’t protected him, the hooligans would’ve killed Vladimir.”

There are reports that the supporters threw a lit firework at the goalkeepers, others that someone even tried to stab him.

Stojkovic was singled out for having made the move from Red Star Belgrade to rivals Partizan.

This week he returned to playing duty for Partizan, but needed a security team accompanying him to the stadium.
 

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