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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Throw in a wrongly disallowed goal and a sending off instead of a penalty and it becomes what it did, it just built and built.
But this is where you are wrong. And unfortunately this is where the lack of objectivity comes into play... the analysis from the boys who keep crying wolf.

Totti went down in the box, but it was not a penalty. The Korean got the ball FIRST, then Totti started to go down. It also wasn't a dive, so the play should have just went on without any further nonsense. But I can see how the ref would rule it was a dive because he did go down rather easily. Either way, no penalty.


Italy certainly had some poor calls go against them, but screaming this conspiracy stuff for years on end without any real proof is getting tiring. I've seen far worse, one-sided, officiated matches before. I haven't seen the Spain fans going on about it too much either.

People here hate Inter, yet they keep acting like Inter fans. It's absurd.

Only Moreno knows what he was thinking during the match, but I don't particularly agree with the theory that he threw it. Just that he was weak, he is clearly a weak character, and FIFA are directly responsible for employing him. A guy who a year later is given a 20 match suspension for corruption involving the domestic league leaders in Ecuador. That just added to the corrupt theory in 2002, and now this cocaine business builds it more.
But within all this, you're trying to persuade people that perhaps he really was paid off in 2002. If you don't agree that he threw the game, then why make the connecting argument that he might have? You can't just say somebody murdered a man because the suspect has a history of robbing banks.

What you lot need is an informant who will testify that Moreno was paid off by somebody, or instructed to throw the game. Surely somebody knows something about it if it really happened. The truth on these sort of matters usually does come out in the end. But if I thought this match was fixed, then man, I'd have to think hundreds of games... in futbol, football, hockey and baseball... were also fixed.
 

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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- So we are both giving our opinion, neither of us is right as such, you can't tell me your view on it is fact and mine is not, garbage. I was talking about the perception. The Inter fan line is absurdity, by the way.

- You haven't seen Spain fans talk about it much? I'd say you didn't and haven't come across many Spain fans. Bring up a topic about it now, ask them about Gamal Ghandour and his assistants. The only reason Azzurri fans keep going on about 'this conspiracy stuff' is because the topic constantly arises on a forum where they are many of them, a forum you frequent most days, I would have thought that was common sense. And really, don't give me bullshit about it being only Italy fans who talk about conspiracies. There are Germans who still talk about 1966, Austrians who talk about 1982, Brazilians who have conspiracies about everything what happened 1998, England fans in 1970, the Dutch will be talking about Howard Webb for some time. I'm not even touching the topic of club football, and the dozens of examples. Of course, the higher profile the game, and more obvious the discretion, the longer it lasts.

- Didn't say he was paid off, read my post properly, I said it gives foundation to the theory. But then you agreed with me later. The probability is that he was never 'paid off'. I explained that concisely enough in my post to not warrant your response.
 
Dec 31, 2008
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Gazzetta 'reveals’ Prandelli squad
Friday 1 October, 2010
La Gazzetta dello Sport has predicted the 23 players whom Cesare Prandelli will select for Italy’s next two Euro 2012 qualifiers.

The tactician will announce his squad on Sunday ahead of Friday’s game against Northern Ireland and then the tie against Serbia.

The three goalkeepers are expected to be Bologna’s Emiliano Viviano, Salvatore Sirigu of Palermo and Parma’s Antonio Mirante.

The paper claims that certainties in defence will be Mattia Cassani [Palermo], Lorenzo De Silvestri [Fiorentina], Leonardo Bonucci [Juventus], Giorgio Chiellini [Juventus], Cristian Molinaro [Stuttgart] and Luca Antonelli [Parma].

Two more defenders will be selected with Palermo’s Cesare Bovo, Sampdoria’s Daniele Gastaldello, Cagliari’s Davide Astori and Andrea Ranocchia of Genoa fighting for selection.

In midfield, Andrea Pirlo [Milan], Daniele De Rossi [Roma], Claudio Marchisio [Juventus], Riccardo Montolivo [Fiorentina], Angelo Palombo [Sampdoria], Simone Pepe [Juventus] and perhaps Cagliari’s Andrea Lazzari are being tipped for inclusion.

Five players will be picked in attack, those being Antonio Cassano [Sampdoria], Giampaolo Pazzini [Sampdoria], Alberto Gilardino [Fiorentina], Giuseppe Rossi [Villarreal] and Fabio Quagliarella [Juventus].

Despite his decent form at Roma, Marco Borriello will apparently only be on stand-by.

The pink paper also goes as far as naming Itay’s probable starting XI for their Northern Ireland test: Viviano; Cassani, Bonucci, Chiellini, Antonelli; Montolivo, Pirlo, De Rossi; Pepe, Gilardino [Pazzini], Cassano.
 
May 22, 2007
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Goalkeepers: Viviano (Bologna), Sirigu (Palermo), Mirante (Parma);

Defenders: Cassani (Palermo), Chiellini (Juventus), Bonucci (Juventus), Criscito (Genoa), Zambrotta (Milan), Gastaldello (Sampdoria), Bovo (Palermo), Antonelli (Parma);

Midfielders: Pirlo (Milan), De Rossi (Roma), Palombo (Sampdoria), Lazzari (Cagliari), Marchisio (Juventus), Mauri (Lazio), Pepe (Juventus);

Forwards: Borriello (Roma), Cassano (Sampdoria), Gilardino (Fiorentina), Pazzini (Sampdoria), Rossi (Villarreal)
 

Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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Prandelli confirms trident

Italy boss Cesare Prandelli has confirmed he will play with an attacking trident against Northern Ireland in Belfast tomorrow evening.

The 53-year-old has been experimenting with a 4-3-3 in training this week, but would like his team to be flexible in their third Euro 2012 qualifier of the campaign.

“The matches against Northern Ireland and then that in Genoa on Tuesday against Serbia will be decisive from a qualifying point of view for Euro 2012,” Prandelli said.

“I expect a constant improvement, and something more with respect to our last outings, a continuity of performance for longer with respect to the other matches, also because the athletic condition of the group is good and improving.

“We want the three points, but we would like them to be accompanied by good football as always. Sure, this result will be more important than the others.”

When asked about his first 100 days in charge of the Azzurri, Prandelli said: “I feel ever more involved in the project. I feel well.

“Northern Ireland have got important results at home, but we are thinking about being able to play better than them even at a difficult ground.”

Prandelli then revealed his starting XI, which surprised some for the inclusion of Marco Borriello at the expense of Giampaolo Pazzini.

“Borriello is the right striker for tomorrow evening, also because he gives depth to our play.

“With Pepe and Mauri on the pitch we could vary the initial 4-3-3 in case they push a lot down the flanks, moving Cassano into a more central position.”

Finally, Prandelli gave an insight into why he picked Bologna goalkeeper Emiliano Viviano over Palermo's Salvatore Sirigu.

“From a personality point of view he has something more than the others. If he keeps his promise he could have continuity,” Prandelli concluded.

Italy XI: Viviano; Cassani, Bonucci, Chiellini, Criscito; De Rossi, Pirlo, Mauri; Pepe, Borriello, Cassano
 

awit

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Jan 10, 2010
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Sounds to me like Prandelli is just trying to be polite instead of saying that he doesn't want to use all his best players against a team like Northern Ireland. I don't expect Mauri or Boriello to start against Serbia unless they have a great game tomorrow.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Only 4 new names in the Serbian 23 men squad compared to the WC team. Kolarov and Pantelic are the only two well known players missing. The other two are the 3rd keeper and a sub defender.

The others are all called. So, unless an injury happens, Vidic, Ivanovic, Subotic, Stankovic, Jovanovic, Krasic should play against Italy.

P.S: They have only 3 attackers (Zigic, Lazovic and Mrđa) and none of them is in good form. Lazovic has only 5 goals in 20 matches for Zenit while Mrđa and Zigic are yet to score this year. Giorgio and Bonucci should take care of them.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Jovanovic has also been garbage, but Italy have struggled against far inferior teams before, Serbia have good players, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a draw or one goal win for either team.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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I watched live Vidic's debut for his NT. It was exactly against Italy. I had no fucking idea who he was and I knew that he'll be big. The first and only player who didn't let Inzaghi a breath :D

Del Piero scored a goal from free kick and it ended 1:1.

Edit: It was "only" 8 years ago I see. It seems like 12-13 at least. Stupid time passing fast :sergio:
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Oh no wait I was talking about our first match against Estonia...most likely we'll see this

Stojković, Ivanović, Vidić, Luković (Subotić), Lomić (Obradović), Stanković, Kuzmanović, Krasić, Jovanović, Kačar (Ninković), Žigić.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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I laugh at anyone who would call such players traitors (when it comes to Germany, mainly Balkan or turkish players choosing their origins). But thats overdone topic.
 

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