Watching him play for Chile, who employ a system and tactical setup that is similar to what Pep does, I think he'd have no problems at all fitting into Pep's system.
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icemaη;5016350 said:
Like I said earlier watching Vidal misplace easy passes while tiki taki-ing will be funny 
Do you think Pep will remain at Bayern beyond the end of the season?
(I haven't seen Chile play for a long time. So maybe he'll prosper under Pep)
Do you think Pep will remain at Bayern beyond the end of the season?
(I haven't seen Chile play for a long time. So maybe he'll prosper under Pep)
I don't think he'll stay beyond next year, but I think it will be either his decision or mutual. He seems to have a problem dealing with all the stress of managing a top club, and his short fuse also gets him into trouble with important people in the clubs he manages, has managed. I feel that like Mourinho, he'll never be a manager that settles at a club for a long time, unless he changes.
Okay, I know nothing has officially been announced yet so...... if he doesn't end up going to Munich, when is he due back to training? I know hes on Holiday with his family at the moment, but I am surprised he hasn't come out and said anything. His twitter and Instagram at the moment are all about his family.
The reason is that he was offered a shitload of money from a giant club, he accepted and his agent informed Juventus.
That's the only reason. Marotta decided he shouldn't try to keep the guy against his will and he should allow him to leave for Bayern at the highest price he could get.
That's basically it. There's no mystery in this. Just bad decision making by Marotta.
You look at how United are dealing with De Gea's move to Real and you can see the difference of ambitions and stature between both clubs.
That's the only reason. Marotta decided he shouldn't try to keep the guy against his will and he should allow him to leave for Bayern at the highest price he could get.
That's basically it. There's no mystery in this. Just bad decision making by Marotta.
You look at how United are dealing with De Gea's move to Real and you can see the difference of ambitions and stature between both clubs.
I still dont want to believe that MArotta bended over at the first offer. Not because im a marotta fanboy, im not ,( i appreciate his work a lot tho).... but because is just too stupid to sell vidal to bayern just like that, when the player was still in contract and we could have found a better offer for the team which Vidal should have understood,
Marotta said before that we would not keep a player who wanted to leave. United have chosen to keep a player who wants to leave, that's a risky business in itself, no matter how professional the player.
It's ok to be "ambitious" when you can afford to lose £25m on a player to prove a point that they would throw the money away to not be bullied by Real Madrid. They had a turnover of €518m last year and growing rapidly. If Vidal really does want to leave then we aren't going to turn down €40m when he has two years left. The year later he will be worth half or less, and that's just the monetary value.
So the difference in 'stature and ambition' is €250m+
It's ok to be "ambitious" when you can afford to lose £25m on a player to prove a point that they would throw the money away to not be bullied by Real Madrid. They had a turnover of €518m last year and growing rapidly. If Vidal really does want to leave then we aren't going to turn down €40m when he has two years left. The year later he will be worth half or less, and that's just the monetary value.
So the difference in 'stature and ambition' is €250m+
He probably wanted to finish the deal asap so he could find a replacement.. it was just his decision. He has said many times that when a player wants to leave, he'll leave. It's just what happened.
I'm definitely not expecting anymore for any extra circunstance that justifies this. It's just how Marotta proceeds.
And $$$ is quite an understandable reason why Vidal decided to leave.
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No. They are holding the player until they receive a decent offer for him. Madrid's initial offer was peanuts, because there's only another year of contract.
And to make things worse, Vidal has so much more market than De Gea. And his contract runs till 2017.
It's a basic principle. You have 3 parties involved on a deal, the condition to make it is if all 3 are satisfied. You sell a player only if you feel you receive the correspondent amount for him.
If you honestly believe that 37+3 is the value of Vidal in today's market, with 2 years of contract left, than I really can't say anything left to you, this ends any kind of discussion by itself.
I'm definitely not expecting anymore for any extra circunstance that justifies this. It's just how Marotta proceeds.
And $$$ is quite an understandable reason why Vidal decided to leave.
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No. They are holding the player until they receive a decent offer for him. Madrid's initial offer was peanuts, because there's only another year of contract.
And to make things worse, Vidal has so much more market than De Gea. And his contract runs till 2017.
It's a basic principle. You have 3 parties involved on a deal, the condition to make it is if all 3 are satisfied. You sell a player only if you feel you receive the correspondent amount for him.
If you honestly believe that 37+3 is the value of Vidal in today's market, with 2 years of contract left, than I really can't say anything left to you, this ends any kind of discussion by itself.
My understanding is that they told Real Madrid to include Sergio Ramos in the deal or forget signing the player. Real Madrid have also given Keylor Navas the #1 jersey, and have signed another keeper in Kiko Casilla. De Gea only seems to want Madrid (family reasons etc), and it doesn't look like he will be going there this summer.
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Well yes I said before all this that Vidal's value was about €40m-€45m, as I've already explained.
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Well yes I said before all this that Vidal's value was about €40m-€45m, as I've already explained.
Marchisio will turn 30 next year and looks nowhere near slowing down. Neither does Vidal for that matter.
Decline happens gradually at first, then faster and faster. It used to be that players aged 28 were already slightly declining physically, but made up for it mentally. Then after about 32 the decline started to be too much.
I bet Vidal's and Marchisio's physical numbers are not showing any decline at all. And like I said, in sports where we can actually MEASURE physical fitness, we know older athletes are becoming better and better.
I've given you not one, but three examples of over 30 athletes who are top of the world in a sport that is solely about speed. We know that the average age of an olympic gold medalist at the 100m is actually just under 24.
We have athletes today who are 10 years older who will not just compete, but are among the favorites.
Decline happens gradually at first, then faster and faster. It used to be that players aged 28 were already slightly declining physically, but made up for it mentally. Then after about 32 the decline started to be too much.
I bet Vidal's and Marchisio's physical numbers are not showing any decline at all. And like I said, in sports where we can actually MEASURE physical fitness, we know older athletes are becoming better and better.
I've given you not one, but three examples of over 30 athletes who are top of the world in a sport that is solely about speed. We know that the average age of an olympic gold medalist at the 100m is actually just under 24.
We have athletes today who are 10 years older who will not just compete, but are among the favorites.
It depends on the will of the player, largely. If he had decided to not re-sign then, in terms of finances, it was right to sell him now than risk getting ~€20m (1 year) or €0 for him. If he had a three year contract I'd agree, but lose a year and we lose a lot of money.
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Based on what, because Sterling went for £49m? So what do you think his value is? This is just semantics, after all, there is no point in going all Cronios over something quite subjective.
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Based on what, because Sterling went for £49m? So what do you think his value is? This is just semantics, after all, there is no point in going all Cronios over something quite subjective.
We ourselves paid 32 + 8 for Dybala.
Benteke, Schneiderlin, Kondogbia, Martinez.
I mean, I could go on and on. Too many inferior players sold by a similar amount.
And it's not only done transfers. It's the current context. Money has exploded in EPL and we didn't take advantage of it. The guy is taylor made for EPL, they would cover him with gold.
I think it's very obvious that British teams would line up to make bids for him. His price would definitely go somewhere around 50/55M of guaranteed money, rising to 60M total. We got 37M guaranteed.
Benteke, Schneiderlin, Kondogbia, Martinez.
I mean, I could go on and on. Too many inferior players sold by a similar amount.
And it's not only done transfers. It's the current context. Money has exploded in EPL and we didn't take advantage of it. The guy is taylor made for EPL, they would cover him with gold.
I think it's very obvious that British teams would line up to make bids for him. His price would definitely go somewhere around 50/55M of guaranteed money, rising to 60M total. We got 37M guaranteed.
