Arturo Vidal (79 Viewers)

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Vidal's knee injury is what hurt his form and significantly lowered his price this season. It's probably also the reason he didn't move last season to United for crazy money. He's 28 years old, his age is not a problem at all.
I'd say that 10 years ago 28 was an age where you might consider to start looking for a younger prospect. Today I give Vidal another 5 years at least.
 

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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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At 28 I'd say not, but his style of play is very dependent on his physical condition, and it is more punishing to the body than your average player.
Yes it is, but my point was his physical condition has been affected mostly due to his knee injury last year than his age.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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There are exceptions to the rule, Yaya Toure is still a monster at 31 (but he's a more intelligent player than Vidal).

The dynamics from sprinting to football are completely different, players get tackled and play with more regularity than sprinters would race (I assume, not an authority on sprinting to be honest). Also a difference racing for ten seconds than running for 90 minutes.
They're really not. Bolt is about to be 29, Tyson Gay is about to be 33. That means that apart from Yohan Blake the most likely candidates for the gold next year (as it stands now) are all around or even over 30. Which is incredible.

The dynamics might be different, but like I said, speed is usually the thing that goes first. When it comes to muscle mass and endurance most men peak in their thirties.

Nothing prevents Vidal from another 5 good years.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I'd say that 10 years ago 28 was an age where you might consider to start looking for a younger prospect. Today I give Vidal another 5 years at least.
Perhaps so. These days players can stay in top condition until the start of their thirties as you say, but it also depends on them avoiding major injuries, their ability to recover from injuries and how they train. Look at C.Ronaldo for example, you'd think he was 25.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Makelele is pretty much the blueprint for the destroyer role, a pure DM.

Makelele wasn't b2b, he was a defensive midfielder who sat and destroyed play before giving it over to other players.

Fred Gerrard was finished as a b2b by 30, then was tried out as a regista and failed horribly.
Fair point about Gerrard. But he had a great season in 2014 mind you. Though when I think about it, he played a deeper role, definitely wasn't a b2b.

Yaya played one of his best seasons at 30, he didn't do too well last season. Though his physical abilities don't seem to have diminished IMO, I'd say in general City's players barring a few(namely Aguero) didn't do too well last season. Silva wasn't at his best, Kompany was poor, so were Nasri and Clichy. Seems to have been a team problem in general rather than Yaya in particular.
 

JuveJay

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Yaya played one of his best seasons at 30, he didn't do too well last season. Though his physical abilities don't seem to have diminished IMO, I'd say in general City's players barring a few(namely Aguero) didn't do too well last season. Silva wasn't at his best, Kompany was poor, so were Nasri and Clichy. Seems to have been a team problem in general rather than Yaya in particular.
Yeah, I'm loath to say whether it is a physical problem for him, but then Yaya is physically a lot more gifted than Vidal ever will be.
 

Emmet

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Apr 5, 2006
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Makelele is pretty much the blueprint for the destroyer role, a pure DM.



Fair point about Gerrard. But he had a great season in 2014 mind you. Though when I think about it, he played a deeper role, definitely wasn't a b2b.

Yaya played one of his best seasons at 30, he didn't do too well last season. Though his physical abilities don't seem to have diminished IMO, I'd say in general City's players barring a few(namely Aguero) didn't do too well last season. Silva wasn't at his best, Kompany was poor, so were Nasri and Clichy. Seems to have been a team problem in general rather than Yaya in particular.
Yeah like I said earlier, Yaya is the exception to the rule when it comes to b2b midfielders, truly a monster
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Yeah, I'm loath to say whether it is a physical problem for him, but then Yaya is physically a lot more gifted than Vidal ever will be.
He's more gifted in that he has a great physique maybe. But Vidal has a much higher work ethic, and better stamina IMO. So as I said before, Vidal's problems are mainly due to his knee injury last year.
 

JuveJay

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He's more gifted in that he has a great physique maybe. But Vidal has a much higher work ethic, and better stamina IMO. So as I said before, Vidal's problems are mainly due to his knee injury last year.
Yes he has the ability to smash through players with his strength and speed on the ball, but he ends up flagging in games. Some say that he is just lazy, but only recently has that been said to any degree...

My point is really how long people can really expect Vidal to be able to play his natural game. It was something I was worried about before any of this Bayern news broke, but I'd expect he could have 2-3 strong seasons.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Anyone who thinks Bayern are getting a weaker, damaged Vidal and that this was our last opportunity to sell, are just consoling themselves and trying to make sense of this move. Point is, Vidal is still going to be a beast, and his knee is going to hold up just fine. Sure it may add to the wear and tear of his career from a longer 5 year perspective, but it's going to have absolutely no impact on his first 2-3 year tenure at Bayern. At 36m, this is one of the best deals you'll find on the market today.

Like we have discussed in the past, the defensive aspect of his game alone is worth the money, and he had more than found that aspect of his game in the final stretch of our season. And while most of us harp on the Vidal we are selling not being the Vidal of old, they don't realise that he was already a better Vidal than the first part of the season, well on his way to finding his good/best form again. Make no mistake about it, the player that has been sold is still a pillar for us and it's going to be no different at Bayern.

Hopefully we will find out the reasons that led to the sale of the player in today's conference, but if we end up getting the likes of Mhiktarayan, Draxler and Cuadrado to resolve our tactical issues as a result of this, then it's a shame.
 

icemaη

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Aug 27, 2008
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A change of scenery will help Vidal. He seemed visibly frustrated, a bi product of a combination of loss of form and injury, for a lot of last season. Even then he showed his class at times. A new challenge with different expectations will probably bring the best out of him again. Either Pep's system will fuck him over or he'll go back to his form under Conte. Wherever he is, he'll still have to recover from the insane amount of games he had since the beginning of the year, yet again. The man has barely had any rest in between NT duty, club duty and injury.
 

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