They made it clear it is their intentions. And if we are willing to pay 15 Million it is for players that are priced 22 Million.
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but it is a legimitate of way of handling business. you have your valuations of targets that should be acquired and set prices that correspond to your valutions and needs. every seller prices their goods too high and every buyer wants to spend as few as possible. that's just how it works. in the end it's all business decisions where spending your means wisely plays a huge role.
I understand that one has to offer lower than the asking price but it has become a habit from Marotta to submit a way off offer, usually 30% less than the asking price which makes the negotiations tedious and long, creating risk for loss of patience from the selling club and an opportunity for other clubs to interfere and snatch up deals right under our nose. Marotta is stingy and this is not helping us at all.
And to reply to your previous post, why do you cosider a bidding war ONLY when the value exceeds tha asking price? If we are offering so low as to 30% lower there is a big room for bidding war within the margin and a bidding war is a bidding war no matter in which range it is being done.
And to reply to your previous post, why do you cosider a bidding war ONLY when the value exceeds tha asking price? If we are offering so low as to 30% lower there is a big room for bidding war within the margin and a bidding war is a bidding war no matter in which range it is being done.
for us on the outside all this may seem as all our deals might take a relly long time, but we never know for sure when the negotiations really start and how much they are in contact which each other. about asking prices: here we have a difference in perceptions between juve's valuations and the asking prices of other clubs. would you pay 250€ for a pair of running shoes while you think they're not worth more than 100€?
for me, it's regular negotiations as long as the prices are within a range that you have set yourself in order to acquire the desired object. as soon as you need to react against an opponent's higher bids above your limit it goes into a bidding war. but that's just my personal interpretation of the word.
for me, it's regular negotiations as long as the prices are within a range that you have set yourself in order to acquire the desired object. as soon as you need to react against an opponent's higher bids above your limit it goes into a bidding war. but that's just my personal interpretation of the word.
You said it again, you are restricting yourself to your own evaluation, your own limit and working on a much lower margin than the asking price. We are refusing to bid higher than what we think the players is worth. Let me use your analogy about running shoes. If you want a pair of running shoes that fit your feet perfectly and they are the solution for you to complete your coming marathon. These shoes are sold only at that store for 150 €, would you go to that store and say you want these shoes but you will only pay 100 €? And if you do, what would the salesman reply?
I don't know how much truth there is in what the press print. I also don't know Marotta's actual strategy other than that he is strict, I'd like to be privy to such information although if you say our offers are 30% lower than asking price I'd say that is pretty normal. Maybe we'll end up 5% or 10% less. Some offer much worse, but we should be aware that this is Agüero and not a Serie B youth player, as you well know.
That's why I am saying that it is somehow wrong to make the negotiations long when it comes to such a player, operate close to the asking price, don't leave room for other clubs to get interested and force you into a bidding war. Finish the deal fast because this is Agüero and not Martinez. Marotta is doing the exact opposite, finishing the deals with Pazienza and Poli fast and dragging the deals with Dzeko, Krasic and Agüero into endless negotiations that wake up interests we are in no position to deal with.
but these limits and valuations should be in accordance with market values (and NOT asking prices) of similar players and your estimates of those player's values to your team.
and that is correct, economically speaking.
you liked that running shoe analogy?
you could still try to bargain. nothing wrong with that. maybe you are the only one interested in exactly that shoe and nobody else would be willing to offer those asked 150€. if there is huge demand and it is really the only solution to reach your target you might have to pay the asking price. but these conditions don't exist a lot.
and that is correct, economically speaking.
you liked that running shoe analogy?
you could still try to bargain. nothing wrong with that. maybe you are the only one interested in exactly that shoe and nobody else would be willing to offer those asked 150€. if there is huge demand and it is really the only solution to reach your target you might have to pay the asking price. but these conditions don't exist a lot.
but these limits and valuations should be in accordance with market values (and NOT asking prices) of similar players and your estimates of those player's values to your team.
and that is correct, economically speaking.
you liked that running shoe analogy?
you could still try to bargain. nothing wrong with that. maybe you are the only one interested in exactly that shoe and nobody else would be willing to offer those asked 150€. if thereis huge demand and it is really the only solution to reach your target you might have to pay the asking price. but these conditions don't exist a lot.
and that is correct, economically speaking.
you liked that running shoe analogy?
you could still try to bargain. nothing wrong with that. maybe you are the only one interested in exactly that shoe and nobody else would be willing to offer those asked 150€. if thereis huge demand and it is really the only solution to reach your target you might have to pay the asking price. but these conditions don't exist a lot.
Not when Milan signed Robinho. Not when Inter signed Milito. Not when Napoli signed Cavani. Not when barca signed Sanchez. You hear these clubs linked to a high profile player, two weeks afterwards the player is presented.
With Juventus we hear about these players months before the season ends and the entire transfer window and we see them sign with another club. We then hear Marotta saying that the asking price was way out of our reach but we bought Martines for 12 Million and all the loaned players that we were not forced to buy.
With Juventus we hear about these players months before the season ends and the entire transfer window and we see them sign with another club. We then hear Marotta saying that the asking price was way out of our reach but we bought Martines for 12 Million and all the loaned players that we were not forced to buy.
we assume these teams are also interested. does not change the fact that we should not pay a lot above what we think the player is worth to us. moreover aguero may not be the only player that could have the desired effect on our team performance.
do i assume correctly that you would have paid the asking price on the first day of the transfer window in order to secure aguero?
do i assume correctly that you would have paid the asking price on the first day of the transfer window in order to secure aguero?
Sanchez was a pretty drawn out transfer, considering the player would swim to Barcelona to play there. In regards to Robinho he moved on the final day of the transfer window last year. With Milito you have the Inter-Genoa jerk fest factor. There are all sorts of intricacies in high profile deals. From our perspective the fans demand big names, to be linked to big names, and to be assured that we are looking at big names. So Marotta has been asked the question, he has replied with a 'yes', and now several of his targets are away on international duty. However he has said several times that he will wait until August 31st if possible. What I think you are worried about, and I to an extent too, is that by then we will have missed out on our leading objectives.
Not that I agree with Secco's methods of spending but if Marotta actually wants Agüero, Vidal and others 100% then he could have done what Secco did with Diego and tied it up very early. As he was dealing with free transfers (+1 for Pirlo btw) and Lichtsteiner it didn't happen and now he's playing games with several players at once, hoping the cards fall nicely. It's a very risky tactic with all the new and old money around in the game.
Edit: Actually Marotta didn't know the budget until recently, which puts paid to mega early deals.
Not that I agree with Secco's methods of spending but if Marotta actually wants Agüero, Vidal and others 100% then he could have done what Secco did with Diego and tied it up very early. As he was dealing with free transfers (+1 for Pirlo btw) and Lichtsteiner it didn't happen and now he's playing games with several players at once, hoping the cards fall nicely. It's a very risky tactic with all the new and old money around in the game.
Edit: Actually Marotta didn't know the budget until recently, which puts paid to mega early deals.
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