Arthur (58 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

I think people tend to forget how good Pjanic was for us, the last year wasn't very good but the guy could at least make solid long passes and orchestrate things. He also read the game relatively well. There's no doubt in my mind we should have kept him.

 

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Not sure if this is a long term vision to work him into something but he is, so far, showing he is a long way off the level of Thiago or Pjanic.

 

[Elvin]

I think people tend to forget how good Pjanic was for us, the last year wasn't very good but the guy could at least make solid long passes and orchestrate things. He also read the game relatively well. There's no doubt in my mind we should have kept him.

Naah, he was done. His fittness/stamina was always so-so anyway, with age it was getting worse.

Sold at the perfect time IMO.

 

[Bjerknes]

Naah, he was done. His fittness/stamina was always so-so anyway, with age it was getting worse.

Sold at the perfect time IMO.

Well, let me put it this way. I wouldn't have swapped him out with Arthur. And I think he just had a bad season last year under Sarri.

 

[GiocataGrande]

I think he did well the first half. Second half he got sloppy. Still improving tho.

 

[Stevie]

Getting better all the time.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Well, let me put it this way. I wouldn't have swapped him out with Arthur. And I think he just had a bad season last year under Sarri.

Tbh he was on the decline the year before that even. He was too lightweight and cant keep hold of the ball as well as Arthur does. Most of the time id panic that pjanic would be dispossessed in his own half, I dont get that feeling with Arthur who secures the ball better than many in his position.

 

[Akshen]

Tbh he was on the decline the year before that even. He was too lightweight and cant keep hold of the ball as well as Arthur does. Most of the time id panic that pjanic would be dispossessed in his own half, I dont get that feeling with Arthur who secures the ball better than many in his position.

the ability to retain the ball that Arthur has is no debatable but right now I would say Pjanic was twice the player in everything else.

 

[petersmit]

The transfer with Pjanic was brilliant. We got a younger player in return and made a huge plusvalenza on Pjanic which we really needed in our books..

Yes, Arthur isn't on the level Pjanic was... But he is better than Pjanic currently is/would be imo

 

[Oggy]

No fuckin way, Pjanic is miles ahead of this cripple. Yeah, Arthur is good at hogging the ball and that's pretty much it.

Pjanic gets a lot of undeserved heat, last season he wasn't at his best, and maybe it was time to replace him, but to replace him with Arthur and approve it just because he is younger is BS.

 

[Xperd]

Naah, he was done. His fittness/stamina was always so-so anyway, with age it was getting worse.

Sold at the perfect time IMO.

But we bought a younger player with worse stamina tho...

 

[s4tch]

I think people tend to forget how good Pjanic was for us, the last year wasn't very good but the guy could at least make solid long passes and orchestrate things. He also read the game relatively well. There's no doubt in my mind we should have kept him.

i rated pjanic, but his time was over with us. he wasn't motivated enough, and he couldn't handle the busy post-corona schedule physically.

prime pjanic is obviously way ahead of what arthur can become in an ideal scenario, but we didn't see too much of the prime pjanic after cardiff. i'd be happy if arthur could become as consistent as pjanic was before his nt injury in november (?) 2019, and he'd be able to play full 90 minutes without physical difficulties. that's still not a lot to ask from a 80m player. he should be a consistent difference maker for that price tag.

anyway, arthur did fine vs both napoli and bologna. let's hope he can keep it up and improve his forward passing and stamina.

 

[Xorim]

Pjanic did have some amazing passes. We clearly miss those at the moment.

Arthur didn't show that at all so far. He's great at withstanding pressure and makes me feel way more safe in defense - pjanic was a liability there.
If he gets to gain confidence and routine and starts to make some amazing passes, he could become a great asset for the future. But that's a big question mark.

 

[U Picciriddu]

During Pjanic’ days we only had Pjanic who could make those passes, and unfortunately he kinda stopped doing that as time progressed.

Arthur has some specific qualities, two very different players. We should just use him in his best role and we have enough other players who could give that final pass nowadays.

I always felt that Pjanic became a less player as the seasons went by.

Besides that, Pjanic became what Dybala almost was, and Cancelo was the year before that. I still think we won swapping Danilo/Cancelo and Pjanic/Arthur. I’m wondering who’s next, hopefully someone between Rabiot/Ramsey/Berna

 

[kappa96]

i rated pjanic, but his time was over with us. he wasn't motivated enough, and he couldn't handle the busy post-corona schedule physically.

prime pjanic is obviously way ahead of what arthur can become in an ideal scenario, but we didn't see too much of the prime pjanic after cardiff. i'd be happy if arthur could become as consistent as pjanic was before his nt injury in november (?) 2019, and he'd be able to play full 90 minutes without physical difficulties. that's still not a lot to ask from a 80m player. he should be a consistent difference maker for that price tag.

anyway, arthur did fine vs both napoli and bologna. let's hope he can keep it up and improve his forward passing and stamina.

You obviously mean Pjanic + 22 million player.

Well in a world where Pjanic is 60 million at 30 years, out of form, we can definitely say that Arthur at 24 years of age is 82 million.

Well we at least seem to have payed 82 million for a starter.
Barca payed 60 million for a reserve.
We have that going for us.

 

[petersmit]

The huge amounts mentioned were purely for plusvalenza on both sides.

I agree that something Pjanic had is missing, but I don't recall Pjanic being that good in his last matches and at Barca he is barely playing. I know that we'd rather have a better midfield but better midfielders weren't available for Pjanic + 22M or something

 

[kappa96]

The huge amounts mentioned were purely for plusvalenza on both sides.

I agree that something Pjanic had is missing, but I don't recall Pjanic being that good in his last matches and at Barca he is barely playing. I know that we'd rather have a better midfield but better midfielders weren't available for Pjanic + 22M or something

Obviously you can find teams that would take that deal, if you look hard .

Maybe even Lyon would take Pjanic + 22 for aourar or Locatelli, but what Lyon or Sasuolo wouldn't take is his unrealistic or unaffordable 6.5 million salary / year.

And the player himself would not take kindly to a downgrade of clubs and salary.
Usually when a player downgrades a club or club and league is because of a huge bump in salary.

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[Elvin]

Sue me, but one more season and Pjanic would be Khedira 2.0 here. Unsellable.

 

[s4tch]

You obviously mean Pjanic + 22 million player.

no, mate, i stand by my post. at this point you're simply ignoring the facts.

you wrote the other day that you didn't care about the books. well, that's wrong and you should. the books will tell you the exact cost of arthur. and don't start with your usual explanation, we read it way too many times, and it was wrong on each occasion. swap deals have their transparent cost too. for the last time: forget the cash flow, don't ignore the books, don't ignore amortization. that's the core of football finances, and it simply can't be ignored. period.

 

[kappa96]

no, mate, i stand by my post. at this point you're simply ignoring the facts.

you wrote the other day that you didn't care about the books. well, that's wrong and you should. the books will tell you the exact cost of arthur. and don't start with your usual explanation, we read it way too many times, and it was wrong on each occasion. swap deals have their transparent cost too. for the last time: forget the cash flow, don't ignore the books, don't ignore amortization. that's the core of football finances, and it simply can't be ignored. period.

So why are you ignoring the 60 million coming from the Pjanic sale in the club as monetary gain, in conjuction with the 82 million going out of the club from the club as a monetary loss?

All this when you know that without the sale of Pjanic there is no way in hell Juve pays 82 million outright for Arthur.

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