Because we're always discussing in various threads whether the loans and options we have on the loaned players are real loans or if we have promised to buy them, I thought it would be good to have one thread where we can discuss it.
Therefore, this is not a thread about who you think we should keep, but whether you think we will keep them because we have made such a promise to their clubs (basically meaning that the loans are not real loans). Have we already bought them making the option purely formal?
Here I'm primarily talking about Pepe, Matri and Quag, whose loans are, IMO, not real loans but proper transfers just formally called loans. COuld the mods add a poll please?
I'll copy my post from another thread arguing that they are not real loans.
Alen (and myself) have been saying for months: we're definitely keeping almost all of them.
The thing is that these are not real loans. You loan with an option to buy usually players who are not playing in their clubs, who have been relegated to the bench and are not in the first team plans, who are in poor form or were injured, and who are not crucial to the club's future. Thats why they are letting them go on loan in the first place, because they don need them but nobody is willing to take the chance to buy them outright. They are usually done with a small or no initial fee. IMO, thats what real loan deals are usually for. We have only two of those: Aquilani and Motta.
All the other players we got on loan were first team players, integral parts of their teams. Quag played 34 Serie A games last year. Pepe played 45 games for Napoli. Matri played over 20 games for cagliari this season and was their best scorer. Those are not the players you allow to go on a real loan, because they're an important part of the team. YOu either keep them, or you sell them and replace them with someone else. It makes no sense loaning them if you do not for sure that they will stay in the new club. Because if you have replaced them you need to sell them anyway after they have returned from loan and if you havent then you're missing a player in the squad. Either way, it makes 0% sense loaning them and not knowing where they'll be next season.
take Matri for example. He was Cagliari's best scorer this season, and, AFAIK, after we bought him they didnt bring anyone else to replace him. What sense would it make for Cagliari to loan their best player for half a season for just 2 mil €? They lose their best striker when they're fighting to stay in Serie A, they dont get enough money to replace him. What exactly do they get out of the deal? Because if it's just a loan they'd lose him for half a season basically for free and get him back next season, without gaining anything. Now, they might be a small club, but I doubt their management is completely retarded.
Thats why the three above players are not real loans. They have been signed. The loans are just formal, for financial or other reasons, and Marotta has promised (or made a gentleman's agreement, whatever you want to call it) to buy them. The only way not to buy them would be for Marotta to break his čpromise given to the other clubs, and that wont happen.
First, who would want to deal with us again after they see we do not keep our word and are basically screwing them over? We'd have much more difficulty negotiating for players in Serie A, and we all know thats our main market for new players. Secondly, if marotta did break his promise, he personally would be unemployable. Who'd want to work with him? And if they did work with him, everyone would be extra careful demanding securities from his club, meaning the deal would be done on unfavourable terms to his club. If he cant work properly nobody will employ him, and I doubt he'd let that happen.
Serie A is a closed society, 20 clubs, 20 GM's and presidents, you need to be on good personal terms with them and you need to keep your word and fulfill your promises.
Therefore, it's 99% clear that Quag, Matri and Pepe are staying next season and please lets stop fooling ourselves (and others) that they are just loan deals and that we do not have to take the options, because we clearly do.
Therefore, this is not a thread about who you think we should keep, but whether you think we will keep them because we have made such a promise to their clubs (basically meaning that the loans are not real loans). Have we already bought them making the option purely formal?
Here I'm primarily talking about Pepe, Matri and Quag, whose loans are, IMO, not real loans but proper transfers just formally called loans. COuld the mods add a poll please?
I'll copy my post from another thread arguing that they are not real loans.
Alen (and myself) have been saying for months: we're definitely keeping almost all of them.
The thing is that these are not real loans. You loan with an option to buy usually players who are not playing in their clubs, who have been relegated to the bench and are not in the first team plans, who are in poor form or were injured, and who are not crucial to the club's future. Thats why they are letting them go on loan in the first place, because they don need them but nobody is willing to take the chance to buy them outright. They are usually done with a small or no initial fee. IMO, thats what real loan deals are usually for. We have only two of those: Aquilani and Motta.
All the other players we got on loan were first team players, integral parts of their teams. Quag played 34 Serie A games last year. Pepe played 45 games for Napoli. Matri played over 20 games for cagliari this season and was their best scorer. Those are not the players you allow to go on a real loan, because they're an important part of the team. YOu either keep them, or you sell them and replace them with someone else. It makes no sense loaning them if you do not for sure that they will stay in the new club. Because if you have replaced them you need to sell them anyway after they have returned from loan and if you havent then you're missing a player in the squad. Either way, it makes 0% sense loaning them and not knowing where they'll be next season.
take Matri for example. He was Cagliari's best scorer this season, and, AFAIK, after we bought him they didnt bring anyone else to replace him. What sense would it make for Cagliari to loan their best player for half a season for just 2 mil €? They lose their best striker when they're fighting to stay in Serie A, they dont get enough money to replace him. What exactly do they get out of the deal? Because if it's just a loan they'd lose him for half a season basically for free and get him back next season, without gaining anything. Now, they might be a small club, but I doubt their management is completely retarded.
Thats why the three above players are not real loans. They have been signed. The loans are just formal, for financial or other reasons, and Marotta has promised (or made a gentleman's agreement, whatever you want to call it) to buy them. The only way not to buy them would be for Marotta to break his čpromise given to the other clubs, and that wont happen.
First, who would want to deal with us again after they see we do not keep our word and are basically screwing them over? We'd have much more difficulty negotiating for players in Serie A, and we all know thats our main market for new players. Secondly, if marotta did break his promise, he personally would be unemployable. Who'd want to work with him? And if they did work with him, everyone would be extra careful demanding securities from his club, meaning the deal would be done on unfavourable terms to his club. If he cant work properly nobody will employ him, and I doubt he'd let that happen.
Serie A is a closed society, 20 clubs, 20 GM's and presidents, you need to be on good personal terms with them and you need to keep your word and fulfill your promises.
Therefore, it's 99% clear that Quag, Matri and Pepe are staying next season and please lets stop fooling ourselves (and others) that they are just loan deals and that we do not have to take the options, because we clearly do.
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