Any defensive midfielder? (19 Viewers)

[di_vatai]

maresca on defensive midffield position? who found this shit out? either he should be a nedved substitute. tacch is ok, but can' t handle all the things there, i would sale appiah, but maybe because i simply don't like him anymore. we need at least one new player on the middle of the pitch. pedretti or perrotta were great, maybe gilberto or djemba are also not unreachable, i like djemba really.
since marocchi gone...

 

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[Stu]

Maresca has always been better when played in central midfield with a more defensive-minded player like Tacchinardi so that he has more space to attack and let his creativity flow, or when he's in that imaginary hole behind the front two. This season he has actually been tried as a left winger as well, that's why I would play him on the left-side of a three man midfield.

When Lippi plays 4-3-1-2 he doesn't play with wingers, but with midfielders that start wide and drift into the middle when needed. This role would appeal to Maresca imo.

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by barkuss ] ++


Common...............who is Rino? Rincon?

Gattusso ofcourse.

 

[slack]

++ [ originally posted by barkuss ] ++


Yes I can.........I see that we cant win big things like CL and Scudetto this year cuz we lack creativity.....IMO our defensive part has always been good but you cant defend forever when your midfield plays like a shit. Our midfield plays like shit cuz when midfielders want to pass the ball up-front,they see Trez...player that will give them a ball back and position himself in box and wait the ball to fall in front of him. Then,the midfield is forced to pass around like a crazy chickens and hope that someone will cross the ball on his head or hope that he will score a deflection. In big teams players up-front contribute in build-up play and if it is needed they spread away and cross the ball......sometimes strikers try to posess the ball and do something from the edge of area.....create a chance to shoot(which is very important) or to try to find a team-mate in better situation. Thats the things that we lack......and dont try to tell me thats DP job.....both strikers must know to do that.

You need to broaden your consideration and get some facts right. Creativity is a problem but not the one and only. The defence has problems of its own - why do you lump it to the midfield? You might like to watch some games before making nonsensical statements on Trez again. He is our only striker, the furthest man upfront and in the Lazio instance, surrounded by up to 5 players at any given moment ... what do you expect him to do? A Maradona? This is the Serie A in the 21st century for crying out loud, not a kick-around in the park. The midfield, like the defence, have problems of their own and that's no fault of the forwards/strikers. Extending your reasoning, you'd probably be telling me that Trez is to blame for our defence as well. Classic case of conveniently heaping everything on the scapegoat. In any case, crossing was precisely the gameplan - I wonder what will happen if he took up your suggestion to exhibit his crossing skills against Lazio to show what a complete player he is instead. I have serious doubts about Camo leaping twice his height to nod in the winner. For the last time, understand that players FOLLOW orders strictly on the field in the Serie A. An essential part to doing so is doing what you're told to do - your job. What you can do, should do, might have done becomes secondary for the 'benefit' of the team.

Well done Trez.

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

++ [ originally posted by slack ] ++

You need to broaden your consideration and get some facts right. Creativity is a problem but not the one and only. The defence has problems of its own - why do you lump it to the midfield? You might like to watch some games before making nonsensical statements on Trez again. He is our only striker, the furthest man upfront and in the Lazio instance, surrounded by up to 5 players at any given moment ... what do you expect him to do? A Maradona? This is the Serie A in the 21st century for crying out loud, not a kick-around in the park. The midfield, like the defence, have problems of their own and that's no fault of the forwards/strikers. Extending your reasoning, you'd probably be telling me that Trez is to blame for our defence as well. Classic case of conveniently heaping everything on the scapegoat. In any case, crossing was precisely the gameplan - I wonder what will happen if he took up your suggestion to exhibit his crossing skills against Lazio to show what a complete player he is instead. I have serious doubts about Camo leaping twice his height to nod in the winner. For the last time, understand that players FOLLOW orders strictly on the field in the Serie A. An essential part to doing so is doing what you're told to do - your job. What you can do, should do, might have done becomes secondary for the 'benefit' of the team.

Well done Trez.

Ok....you convinced me......lets keep Trez.....he is copy of Bierhoff....and we all liked Bierhoff

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
As I have stated before, there is no reason to buy another defensive middy. Some people don't believe in Appiah, or have just lost faith in him. For the first quarter of the season, Appiah was in very good form, but as the injury plague hit, somehow Appiah lost it. But I mind you that it is very hard to suceed at Juve in a first season. Just ask Nedved, who had to be changed into a playmaker. I think Appiah was not bought for nothing, he obviously has the skill to become a great player, he just needs a year to form a relationship with the other players at Juve.

Alright, I'd be willing to accept the excuse that he needs time to adjust, if he hadn't come in performing very well. His first quarter of the season, as you said was very good, that proves that he didn't need to adjust. He has lost form, and given the fact that he's only been in great form for a total of one season, it isn't unreasonable to believe that Appiah was a flash in the pan.

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
So I think Moggi should buy a NATURAL PLAYMAKER. I have said this time and time again, but it is clear as day that our Juve lacks creativity. We need someone like Rosicky or Diego to come and control the pace and style that Juve plays with. If you take a look at Milan, creativity is in abundance with Pirlo holding back and Kaka pushing forward. This creative duo is perfect for a team, as seen in Milan, whether it is Inzaghi, Sheva, or Tomasson, they all score because the service is never lacking. When Moggi bought Nedved, I was worried that creativity would be lacking for Juve. Even though we won the scudetto the past two years, it is finally obvious that we need a creative spark in midfield. By getting this player, we can also move Nedved back to his original position on the left side of midfield. There, Nedved could produce darting runs instead of helping the passing all over the field. That job will be given to Rosicky (or whoever) who is better at that task. By getting this natural playmaker, I am positive that Trez's goal totals will rise b/c of the increase of possesion and service.

My worry is that our midfield can not support a natural playmaker. You state that Milan has Pirlo and Kaka, but they've also got Seedorf, Rui Costa, Serginho, etc. Our midfield does not compare well to that,

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
Hell, I might even be open to the idea of bringing Juan Seba Veron to Juve, as he is one of my favorite players. Even though he has never played well in England, I remember how great he was with Lazio, playing alongside Nedved. I don't think that any natural playmaker like Veron, Aimar, or Rosicky would suceed in England because the league is based on hustle and bustle that is not suited for playmakers. And with most clubs using a boring straight 4-4-2 system with wingers and two cental midfielders, there is no room for creativity, as the player cannot move around in a free position in that formation. As in the case of myself, I play usually as a playmaker for my club team and I play so much better when given a free role, as I can move around the pitch making constructive passes. If I had to play central mid in a 4-4-2, my playmaking skills would be hampered because I would always have to make sure that I come back and get into the midfield zonal defense. A natural playmaker should only worry about what he does best, which is to create chances all over the pitch. You can't do that if you always have to come back and get into your zonal mid postion (which is the type of defense when playing a straight 4-4-2, in which there are layers of 1st and 2nd defenders between the mid and defense). I am sure Veron would concur, as he probably misses Calcio di Italia. If I was Moggi, I would try and bring Veron to Juve, that is if the price is right. Veron would add so much to our boring, "noncreative" midfield.

Sorry mate, but why would we want to bring in a player who hasn't played well in England or in Europe for years and is over thirty? Doesn't make much sense.

 

[Len]

Gattuso!!

 

[Torkel]

++ [ originally posted by slack ] ++
You need to broaden your consideration and get some facts right. Creativity is a problem but not the one and only. The defence has problems of its own - why do you lump it to the midfield? You might like to watch some games before making nonsensical statements on Trez again. He is our only striker, the furthest man upfront and in the Lazio instance, surrounded by up to 5 players at any given moment ... what do you expect him to do? A Maradona? This is the Serie A in the 21st century for crying out loud, not a kick-around in the park. The midfield, like the defence, have problems of their own and that's no fault of the forwards/strikers. Extending your reasoning, you'd probably be telling me that Trez is to blame for our defence as well. Classic case of conveniently heaping everything on the scapegoat. In any case, crossing was precisely the gameplan - I wonder what will happen if he took up your suggestion to exhibit his crossing skills against Lazio to show what a complete player he is instead. I have serious doubts about Camo leaping twice his height to nod in the winner. For the last time, understand that players FOLLOW orders strictly on the field in the Serie A. An essential part to doing so is doing what you're told to do - your job. What you can do, should do, might have done becomes secondary for the 'benefit' of the team.

Well done Trez.

Level of agreement with this post: 100%. Good job Slack.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Ian ] ++


Alright, I'd be willing to accept the excuse that he needs time to adjust, if he hadn't come in performing very well. His first quarter of the season, as you said was very good, that proves that he didn't need to adjust. He has lost form, and given the fact that he's only been in great form for a total of one season, it isn't unreasonable to believe that Appiah was a flash in the pan.

Well like I said, we should give him another year instead of just throwing him away. I know he is not that good of a passer, but skills can be improved. Anyway, if he is teamed up with Maresca, Appiah could let him do the passing.

My worry is that our midfield can not support a natural playmaker. You state that Milan has Pirlo and Kaka, but they've also got Seedorf, Rui Costa, Serginho, etc. Our midfield does not compare well to that,

I do not understand what you are talking about there. Milan actually in a sense has 4 playmakers, wasn't Seedorf used to be considered as a playmaker? I think our midfield is well suited for a natural playmaker, it has not changed that much from since Zidane left except for the departure of Davids. If we get a player like Rosicky, he will be well supported by Tacchinardi to do the tackling, and Nedved will help open up space and provide the darting runs for Rosicky to pass to. In a way it mirrors Milan:

Rosicky=Kaka
Nedved=Seedorf
Tacchi=Gattuso
Maresca=Pirlo

Almost mirrors of each other, so why would it not work?





Sorry mate, but why would we want to bring in a player who hasn't played well in England or in Europe for years and is over thirty? Doesn't make much sense.

I am sure Veron would add more to our midfield than Appiah does now! Especially in the passing area, as Veron is about 100 percent better than Appiah is at passing. Veron IMO could only help the team. But I would rather have Rosicky...

 

[Bjerknes]

Up above I have screwed up my post, so after every other paragraph I reply to what Ian said. I still don't know how to break up the quotes.............dammit.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++


I am sure Veron would add more to our midfield than Appiah does now! Especially in the passing area, as Veron is about 100 percent better than Appiah is at passing. Veron IMO could only help the team. But I would rather have Rosicky...

i know what u mean but we have to spend our money wisely

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
Up above I have screwed up my post, so after every other paragraph I reply to what Ian said. I still don't know how to break up the quotes.............dammit.

If you give me your account password i can do it for you

 

[Togon]

QUOTE]++ [ originally posted by slack ] ++

You need to broaden your consideration and get some facts right. Creativity is a problem but not the one and only. The defence has problems of its own - why do you lump it to the midfield? You might like to watch some games before making nonsensical statements on Trez again. He is our only striker, the furthest man upfront and in the Lazio instance, surrounded by up to 5 players at any given moment ... what do you expect him to do? A Maradona? This is the Serie A in the 21st century for crying out loud, not a kick-around in the park. The midfield, like the defence, have problems of their own and that's no fault of the forwards/strikers. Extending your reasoning, you'd probably be telling me that Trez is to blame for our defence as well. Classic case of conveniently heaping everything on the scapegoat. In any case, crossing was precisely the gameplan - I wonder what will happen if he took up your suggestion to exhibit his crossing skills against Lazio to show what a complete player he is instead. I have serious doubts about Camo leaping twice his height to nod in the winner. For the last time, understand that players FOLLOW orders strictly on the field in the Serie A. An essential part to doing so is doing what you're told to do - your job. What you can do, should do, might have done becomes secondary for the 'benefit' of the team.

Well done Trez. [/QUOTE]

agree 100 percent

I stick to David "the scapegoat" Trezequet


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(it's funny that this post was sent after the Lazio match, it may shows how much the players performace count when the poster thinks its time to kick Trez once again

++ [ originally posted by barkuss ] ++


First thing: trez did not do nothing to save us....he never scores in important matches that we must win.....Second of all: Striker needs to know to cross the ball and make assists.....

 

[simpson-juvefan]

one question: What kind of player is Davide Pizzaro from Udine?? is he more attacking or defending midfielder?

I read on Channel4 that we are heavily linked with him!! I don't know him very good, is he a good player, has he potential??

But i have the feeling if he sign him we will see know Diego wearing our shirt!!

 

[delpiero10]

simpson-juvefan:
Pizarro is more developed than Diego, he is used with Serie A. So i think he is a better choise. And if you didnt know, he is a typical playmaker, 23 years old, and a lot of potential.

 

[simpson-juvefan]

ah, thanks!

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
Well like I said, we should give him another year instead of just throwing him away. I know he is not that good of a passer, but skills can be improved. Anyway, if he is teamed up with Maresca, Appiah could let him do the passing.

I don't think that we can afford to have playersin our midfield who can't pass. Milan doesn't have them, niether does Man U, Valencia, Barca, Arsenal, Bayern, Madrid, or any other big team.

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
I do not understand what you are talking about there. Milan actually in a sense has 4 playmakers, wasn't Seedorf used to be considered as a playmaker? I think our midfield is well suited for a natural playmaker, it has not changed that much from since Zidane left except for the departure of Davids. If we get a player like Rosicky, he will be well supported by Tacchinardi to do the tackling, and Nedved will help open up space and provide the darting runs for Rosicky to pass to. In a way it mirrors Milan:

Rosicky=Kaka
Nedved=Seedorf
Tacchi=Gattuso
Maresca=Pirlo

Almost mirrors of each other, so why would it not work?

I do not think that they are mirrors of each other. Seedorf is a better defensive player than Nedved. Tacchinardi is not at all like Gattuso. Gattuso is fast, can pass, and has some creative ability. Gattuso matches up better with Davids, and that's what we're missing. BTW, Maresca is a natural playmaker, and probably wouldn't work out that well if we palyed him at regista, like Pirlo.





I am sure Veron would add more to our midfield than Appiah does now! Especially in the passing area, as Veron is about 100 percent better than Appiah is at passing. Veron IMO could only help the team. But I would rather have Rosicky... [/QUOTE]

 

[Bjerknes]

Well if they do not mirror each other, what the hell should we do? Both Pirlo and Maresca are natural playmakers, both can play anywhere in midfield. And IMO Gattuso is not that creative of a player; he reminds me of one who runs around like a chicken with his head cut off.

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
Well if they do not mirror each other, what the hell should we do? Both Pirlo and Maresca are natural playmakers, both can play anywhere in midfield. And IMO Gattuso is not that creative of a player; he reminds me of one who runs around like a chicken with his head cut off.

Pirlo is not a natural playmaker, that's why he plays behind the midfield, not in front of it. A lot of people think that because Maresca has some defensive abilities, that he would be a good defensive midfielder. It is, however, highly unlikely that he'd make it in such a position. Maresca should be played either in central midfield, or farther forward.

 

[Stu]

Agreed.