You really have to start giving Conte credit for what he did here.
Sorry for late reply, was away.
I give him a credit, but I refuse to give
only him a credit. There were more factors involved. We signed 4-5 players that were absolutely key performers that season, like Licht, Vidal, Pirlo and Vucinic, the brand new venue...
Look at Milan and Inter right now, how they're doing. If Serie-A is so bad, why can't they at least rise to 2nd or 3rd in the league?
They squandered 100s of millions on mediocre signings over the years. This is actually rather good example why mgt's decisions are important and can steer the club into right direction, otherwise coach inevitably becomes a scapegoat (Allegri, Mihajlović and Montella soon).
Conte was amazing here, and that's a fact and part of history. You believe that we would've risen to the top regardless of him, but such a statement will always remain counterfactual.
He did, but without proper backing it's little difficult to see him having as much success. And looking at our history we had these long spells without any major silverware. We have the biggest fanbase in Italy, one of the wealthiest coorporations behind us, that would continue investing into the club and at one point it would all click together. It did with Conte so I'm glad for that.
Don't forget that in 2011/12, Conte brought together a bunch of new signings, mixed them together with the old guard and was able to topple a Milan side who had Allegri as a coach, Ibrahimovic for a striker, and Thiago Silva in defence; the reigning champions. We also went through that entire season undefeated. But according to you, this would've happened just based on all the new signings (and the state of Serie-A) alone. Anyone could've done it. Conte played just a minimal part in this.
Yeah, never said that. Always claimed it was joint effort. From Conte's appointment, great transfer campaign, stadium opening ceremony which reminded some players what Juventus represents, fantastic crowd that kept frantically supporting the team throughout the season...
Milan team btw was in decline, no youth policy, old players on large salary, no viable replacement in sight...
As for the part you said about Juve not being about one guy and that we had a great history before he became coach: Yes, I absolutely agree with that. But who has claimed otherwise?
Plenty of people here. Like this guy bellow.
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Foundations that you today judge as really good after Conte revitalized or unleashed the potential of these players. If DN or Mancini or Benitez or pellegrini etc.. was our coach, do you think any of our players would have become that good?
Bare in mind that many of these players had long careers of mediocrity and so there is no reason why 2011 would have been different for them compared to their previous seasons. None of those players were brought in when they were already good footballers in form except the Licht, Vidal and maybe Matri (good form by his standards). Bonnuci was public enemy #1 and it took us some time after our defense became solid to start to like him because of how awful he used to be pre-conte.
Milan has been buying freebies for ages now but they havent managed to revitalize a single one of them; this could have been us. We lucked out in getting a very cheap and inexperienced coach who turned out to be a brilliant motivator and team builder that made the team fire on all cylinders. Maybe someone like Simeone could have done the same but certainly not the likes of Mancini, Ranieri, Pellegrini, Benitez all of which are very experienced and won trophies etc..You can argue that Marotta and co would have found another inexperienced coach of high quality but then that hypothetical coach would have been a huge contributor to our comeback and we would have loved him.
Denying Conte's contribution is equivalent to denying Simeone's contribution to ATM imo. For a club to get out of being in a state of ruin, you need both great management (marotta/agnelli) to buy the right players given the tight budget and a great coach who revitalizes the old ones amongst the players and unleashes the potential of those who have never performed well yet. No one would ever consider Tiago and his ilk as a great foundation for a top team but under Simeone he made him perform like he never did before. We had the same thing with many of our players.
And I still dont get where this "eventually" comes from. The more we failed to perform the harder it would be for the club to get back to what it used to be. If a club doesnt find a functioning mix long enough and their brand's continues to deteriorate because of that failure, its not an eventuality that some great managers will come in and fix everything and bring back the glory days. Look at the Eredivise and you'll see giants like Ajax far away from what they used to and there is no eventuality that they return to the top of Europe anytime in the forseeable future. Even today we are not yet back as the 2nd richest club in the world and its unlikely that we ever will.
Stopped reading there. Sorry, but you're insane.
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full of excuses this guy
