Antonio Conte (92 Viewers)

[Osman]

He has, but he doesnt do it consistently. Simply league titles is not something he has been able to deliver well enough in volume for someone who has had a big career. How little he won with considering the teams he coached is simply not best coach worthy for me.


But yeah his CV and big reputation is a clear sign of his quality as a coach.

 

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[Red]

Not quite sure how to compare Conte to the other two mentioned just now.

Conte hasn't really had the chance to have a go at winning the CL, where the others have had a bunch of great chances to win it.

On the other hand, I can't imagine Juve winning the scudetto in 2011/12 with Ancelotti or Guardiola in charge (or Allegri for that matter).

 

[Osman]

Exactly on the last part.



And yeah Conte is yet to coach the undoubted best teams/players in continental stage yet to be talking about his CL capabilities (besides being rigid and unadaptive in last CL season) in comparison to peeps who have coached the best stars possible in their careers so far.

 

[Vlad]

The man has won League titles in England, Italy, France, and most likely will win in Germany as well. Every time a top opening comes up, Ancellotti's name is mentioned. That speaks volumes about his CV and his reputation.

Carlo humiliated Guardiola few seasons ago and it's not like Guardiola didnt have great team at his disposal. Bayern was simply mauled by Real due to Pep's predictable tactics. At home turf ffs.

 

[KB824]

Let's be clear.

I am not in any way diminishing Conte or Guardiola. But if I were the owner of a club, and if I had a choice between the three, I would choose Ancelotti, for his ability to coach for huge clubs, and to deliver the goods in Europe, and yes, on a lesser scale, domestically.

 

[Osman]

Even if he has his flaws I would defenitely choose Guardiola over him if I'm hiring for a big ambitious club (and they would too, hence why he is replacing him instead of competing with him for gigs, EPL is his preferred destination after all). Ancelotti tends to get too comfortable and regress too quickly in following seasons with his clubs, issues of consistency in longer term (not so flexible with squads, tends to become too chummy and overplay the same players/11). Was pretty damn unacceptably average for long time with Milan, and tho they were trigger happy, its not suprising he didnt last more then 2 seasons with either Chelsea or Real. He lacks the ability to keep a team hungry and motivated, and to reinvent himself if things become in a rut. His type of possession/midfield focued football and mentality is suited well for the cup/tourno format that is CL, and its the main reason of his stellar reputation.


I repeat, 4 league titles 18 years is not good enough for the best (not counting from Parma, but from stint with us). Conte tho is also blessed with good timing when he came to us (tho in comparison Ancelotti almost allways just coached the best players in each league), atleast has 3 league titles out of 3 in his first attempt with a top club.

 

[Hængebøffer]

He has, but he doesnt do it consistently. Simply league titles is not something he has been able to deliver well enough in volume for someone who has had a big career. How little he won with considering the teams he coached is simply not best coach worthy for me.


But yeah his CV and big reputation is a clear sign of his quality as a coach.

If we go by your standards, Conte is very close to Guardiola.

 

[Osman]

If we go by your standards, Conte is very close to Guardiola.

Its not only standard, just specifying that its part of the standards to judge a coach, everyone focuses alot on CL, even if its most important, and forget the heavy consistent lifting needed to be done to completely dominate league on weekly basis.


And if Conte becomes more flexible as a coach and hacks it in other top clubs, Conte should become very close to Guardiola in that aspect (but only way to gain true recognition is fvcking shit up in CL), he is still quite new/young.

Main thing I would rate Guardiola for besides work with Barca is even if he tends overcomplicate things, is his ability to reinvent his teams with different solutions. Many times during games. Even if things got stuck on a rut a little at the end with Barca, he pretty much comes up with different ways to approach tactical problems moreoften then most coaches (Allegri is like this too, tho in more pragmatic fashion). This is something Ancelotti failed at ALOT with Milan, became too much of a complacent and comfortable yes man that barely tried to improve things after his generation of players were slowing down, just accepted mediocirity. Guardiola in comparison is too egoistical of a headstrong perfectionist to accept such a scenario for a second, and left Barca as soon his motivation/head wasnt in it anymore (kinda like how Conte left us in a way...). Many coaches would just be fine living on recent glories like that, but some cant stand if they dont see upcoming new improvement in sight.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Let's see. He jumped ship, when Barca started declining. I think his Bayern days will be nothing but a skid mark on his credentials.

 

[Osman]

Things go in cycles and have delicate expiry dates (Xavi and Iniesta slowing down), if he couldnt improve them (and not come to understand with management anymore vision wise), its better to part ways IMO. Better to make quick decisions like that if you arent into it for real anymore, and cant fix things, then to become a psuedo Wenger or even lighter case of Ancelotti in last Milan days, content with a stalemate decline. Not everyone has a the Fortitude and mental strength to stick out aslong as a Ferguson and be able to patiently handle several different cycles of your club. Barca are better off for it anyways, slowed down a little, but the intensity and more direct style of Enrique is what they need now then Guardiola's who worked brillianty, until it couldnt anymore.

 

[Hydde]

Osman, what skills you would say Guardiola has as a coach to rate him the better?.

 

[Osman]

Mainly just the dominating style he instills on his team even if it has been quite flawed past two seasons. But as said, the ability to re-do and improve things when its needed, during game or throughout the seasons (latter bit with Barca, quite different ways to approach things tactically or in roles in most of these seasons).

 

[ADP1897]

Even if he has his flaws I would defenitely choose Guardiola over him if I'm hiring for a big ambitious club (and they would too, hence why he is replacing him instead of competing with him for gigs, EPL is his preferred destination after all). Ancelotti tends to get too comfortable and regress too quickly in following seasons with his clubs, issues of consistency in longer term (not so flexible with squads, tends to become too chummy and overplay the same players/11). Was pretty damn unacceptably average for long time with Milan, and tho they were trigger happy, its not suprising he didnt last more then 2 seasons with either Chelsea or Real. He lacks the ability to keep a team hungry and motivated, and to reinvent himself if things become in a rut. His type of possession/midfield focued football and mentality is suited well for the cup/tourno format that is CL, and its the main reason of his stellar reputation.


I repeat, 4 league titles 18 years is not good enough for the best (not counting from Parma, but from stint with us). Conte tho is also blessed with good timing when he came to us (tho in comparison Ancelotti almost allways just coached the best players in each league), atleast has 3 league titles out of 3 in his first attempt with a top club.

Lippi & Carlo on league of his own imho. Both should win more, League titles for Carlo, and CL titles for Lippi. We're in 3 CL finals in a row ffs.

 

[89man]

I really hope this passionate son of a bitch becomes Milan manager next summer.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Buzz off, asshole.

 

[LiquidPLP]

I really hope this passionate son of a bitch becomes Milan manager next summer.

Hopefully he goes abroad, preferably to EPL to finally be able to spend more than 10 euros in English restaurants

I'd really hate seeing Conte taking over any other Italian club.

 

[Klin]

I really hope this passionate son of a bitch becomes Milan manager next summer.

 

[Fr3sh]

I really hope this passionate son of a bitch becomes Milan manager next summer.

Me too.

 

[Fake Melo]

What a traitor

 

[Raz]

Have you met any italians? they would hello kiss you even if your face would be covered in dog shit.