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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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It goes both ways.This debate is getting rather tedious.
All i was saying that i have concern over us doing worse than previous yrs if we hire one of those turd coaches we've been linked with but it seems like its unreasonable to think that way.
Definitely a possibility there, but top 3 should be attainable in any case. That said guys like Montella or Cesare should be able to win us another title.
 

WΏΏdy?

Senior Member
Dec 23, 2005
14,997
Yeh right. The old "he needs to lear/he will learn".

Yeh right.

To be able to learn u need first to acknoledge ur mistakes.

Will never happen bro.
Aite, so let's just get ruineri instead or maybe del neri, or wait why dont you suggest a coach that will do better than what conte did over 3 years?

Though being a midget fanboy your opinion is invalid but i thought i'd just give you a chance to make a better post than what ive seen of you in this thread.
 

donpiero

Stella D'Argento
Jul 3, 2009
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What's next for perfectionist Conte and Juventus?
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Antonio Conte has performed far above expectations since taking over as Juve manager. So why, then, does his future there seem so uncertain?

Juventus' players picked Antonio Conte up, put him on their shoulders and launched their coach into the air over and over again in celebration. Being

the character he is, the 44-year-old soon came back down to earth. He insists on keeping his feet -- and everyone else's -- firmly on ground. Conte

isn't one to allow himself to get carried away, nor does he dwell too long and take time to enjoy his success. He looks forward, not back. He gets

ready to go again. No sooner has the confetti settled on another championship-winning season than it's on to the next one.

Which brings us to the following question: What really is next for him? Conte appeared to ask himself this after Monday night's 1-0 win against

Atalanta. It was Juve's 31st in the league this campaign and their 18th in a row at home, where they have been perfect all season. Both are Serie A

records. More could yet be broken. With two games of the campaign still to play, Juventus can not only exceed the 97 points that Inter accumulated

in 2006-07 but they could become the first team ever to break the 100-point barrier in Italy's top flight.



Reaching for an adjective to describe the past nine months, Conte went with "historic." Juventus haven't won three Scudetti in a row since 1933.

"What this team has done in Italy cannot be improved upon," argued Conte. He said the same a year ago when Juventus finished with more points,

scored more goals and conceded fewer than they did in his first season, when they became only the third team in Serie A history to go undefeated

in the league. This time, however, it's hard not to believe Conte. For it really is tough to see how Juventus can possibly post better numbers.

Is he saying: "I've taken this team as far as it can go?" Perhaps. Though not necessarily. Maybe it's more a case of managing expectation. Conte

knows that, for many, only victory in Europe will constitute success from now on. He was upset with the criticism that followed Juve's exit from the

group stages of the Champions League and the semifinals of the Europa League. Yet from his perspective, the club is ahead of schedule.

Recall the state Juventus were in when he was appointed. They were coming off back-to-back seventh-place finishes. The objective he was given by

the club in Year 1 was to get Juventus back into the Champions League, in Year 2 it was to challenge for the Scudetto and in Year 3, it was to win

it. A hat trick of titles was above and beyond his brief. Why, then, he should be criticised so heavily for disappointing in Europe beats Conte. A

quarterfinal and elimination at the hands of the eventual winners in his first year. A semifinal (albeit in another continental competition) the next.


For him, that represents progress.


Juventus have won three straight Scudettos yet failed to make a dent in Europe. Given the difficulty of the Champions League, that's no great

shame.

Above all, people need to be realistic. Winning the Champions League is not straightforward. Conte has pointed this out. But some of his

mitigations don't hold up to scrutiny, for instance, Juve's inability to compete financially with the other elite clubs in Europe. "If you sit in a

restaurant where the prices are 100 euros [a head], you can't think about eating with only 10 euros," Conte said.

And yet if this logic applied, then the teams that spent the most money -- Real Madrid, Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain -- would be the

only ones to win the Champions League. Instead, clubs with smaller turnover and lower wage bills than Juventus -- like Borussia Dortmund last year

and Atletico Madrid this season -- have still managed to reach the final. It also hasn't escaped the attention that Atleti have one former Juve flop in

their first team [Tiago] and another on the bench as one of their first go-to substitutes [Diego Ribas].

In Conte's defence, while those examples show nothing is impossible, they are still Cinderella stories. Juventus should have done better than go

out of the group stages this season. Their performance did not reflect the team's true worth, but nor should they be expected or feel entitled to win

the Champions League. This is all Conte is saying.

Juventus have reached seven finals in the competition's 59-year history. They have won it "only" twice. That the Old Lady hasn't triumphed more in

Europe is perhaps in part down to sometimes not being on good terms with Lady Luck -- a suggestion that many will inevitably laugh at given their

reputation as Gobbi or hunchbacks, a figure of fortune in Italian folklore. But it may also have something to do with their mentality.

Juventus have nearly always prioritised the league. It's one of the reasons why even with two titles revoked after Calciopoli, they still have far more

Scudetti than Milan and Inter (30 to 18 each). Just think of Carlo Ancelotti. He was thought of as a failure at Juventus. "A pig can’t coach," read the

banner at the old Delle Alpi. How had they arrived at that conclusion? Because he couldn't deliver the Serie A title. In fact, over the course of an 18-

year career of working at the highest level, he has won the league only three times -- Milan in 2004, Chelsea in 2010 and Paris Saint-Germain in 2013.

And yet to many (and justifiably so) he is a success, one of the managerial greats because he has won the Champions League twice and will

compete in his fourth final as a coach this season. Those continental achievements eclipse domestic disappointments. Reflecting on that, it begs

the question: Do Juventus need to change their outlook? Arrigo Sacchi believes they do.

"In Juventus' history there are a lot of Scudetti but in the European record books you almost can't find her," he told La Stampa.

"It's like Emilio Butragueno once said to me: 'Your Milan ruined my Real Madrid generation. We won La Liga and the Copa del Rey five times, but

never the European Cup. So no one outside of Spain remembers us.'"



Arrigo Sacchi notably focused on European glory at the expense of domestic success. Could Conte ever do the same with Juve?

To an extent, Sacchi chose to neglect Serie A in order to chase greater glory. "I remember that with Milan we prepared for a month for the encounter

with Real. In the meantime we lost in the league to Cremonese and Ascoli, but we knocked Real out." It was worth it.

Would Conte contemplate doing the same? Would Juventus accept it? I think these are some of the reassurances he'll be seeking when he meets

the club's hierarchy in the coming days. Juve president Andrea Agnelli wishes to extend his contract beyond 2015. Before committing, Conte

presumably wants to know what's expected of him now and how the club is orienting its recruitment strategy for the summer.
It seems that vast

amounts won't be spent.

Juventus have reached a ceiling as to how much revenue they can make at least until their other investments begin to come good and new TV and

sponsorship deals come into effect. Costs have risen and so the money they have to restructure the team in such a way that next season it can

maybe play 4-3-3 isn't substantial in comparison with other Champions League hopefuls.

As such, Conte will have to make the decision. Does he still have the energy to push this team on? Do the club have the means to help him take

things to the next level? Are they willing to put Europe first and Serie A second? Or is it maybe time to move on?

We'll find out soon.
:tup: Good article though most of it was discussed here, but the bolded part is what I think is very important. This year it was obvious that the primary objective Agnelli had set for Conte was the 3rd scudetto, even at the expense of CL's higher stages (if we had reached there).
But next season, is he willing to go against the Juve history and prioritize CL? And also reinforce the team (in a reasonable manner) for that goal?!
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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Definitely a possibility there, but top 3 should be attainable in any case. That said guys like Montella or Cesare could be able to win us another title.
I dont want either purely because we'll continue with the legacy of 352 with them
With Montella,its a sure bet that he'll continue using 352
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,055
I dont want either purely because we'll continue with the legacy of 352 with them
With Montella,its a sure bet that he'll continue using 352
He's also a fan of 4-3-3 and tends to alternate between these two systems. As for Cesare, I really can't see him using only one system here.
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,290
Why you people are so highly rating Montella?Yes he is better than idiot Mancini,Spaletti also but he is a pussy.Vidal and Tevez will slap him every now and then.In this moment Conte is best option for us but you can't force him to stay.That's it.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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Because they are geniuses

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WΏΏdy?;4545699 said:
Still waiting for the list of better options than Conte we supposedly have waiting in line to join us.
I've been waiting for that list for about 2 weeks

The only name I was provided was LvG and that's why he's sleeping at the train station in Turin just waiting for management to call.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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The individual mistakes that the players made this season are an enough indication on Conte's ability to overcome these. They are also another indication why some believe that we will fail miserably if one of these coaches that are being named is assigned instead.
An incoming coach could get rid of tons of those individual mistakes simply by not putting Bonucci in the starting XI. :howler:
 

WΏΏdy?

Senior Member
Dec 23, 2005
14,997
Because they are geniuses

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I've been waiting for that list for about 2 weeks

The only name I was provided was LvG and that's why he's sleeping at the train station in Turin just waiting for management to call.
So if no one better is available despite all the best efforts and negotiations of some members here can we give Conte and extension and time to learn? Please? With permission of those who want him out of course.

An incoming coach could get rid of tons of those individual mistakes simply by not putting Bonucci in the starting XI. :howler:
Yeah he would simply start Varane, Tiago Silva and the likes that Marotta gifted us.
 

jukazem

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2007
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:tup: Good article though most of it was discussed here, but the bolded part is what I think is very important. This year it was obvious that the primary objective Agnelli had set for Conte was the 3rd scudetto, even at the expense of CL's higher stages (if we had reached there).
But next season, is he willing to go against the Juve history and prioritize CL? And also reinforce the team (in a reasonable manner) for that goal?!
:tup: this is what I thought the talks would be about as well.... is Juve willing to sacrifice Scudetto to try and do something in Europe, is Juve willing to take the risk of ending up with 0 titles.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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The list would contain coaches who licking their chops waiting to come here such as:

Carlo
DD
Prandelli
Montella
LvG
SAF
Mou
Klopp
Pep
Spaletti
Mancini
Allegri
Strama
ZZ
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,849
WΏΏdy?;4545703 said:
So if no one better is available despite all the best efforts and negotiations of some members here can we give Conte and extension and time to learn? Please? With permission of those who want him out of course.



Yeah he would simply start Varane, Tiago Silva and the likes that Marotta gifted us.
Marotta's fault Conte only has 2 WC CBs in Barzagli and Chiellini and not 3. :tuttosport:

Maybe the incoming coach would just use 2 CBs?
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,055
:tup: this is what I thought the talks would be about as well.... is Juve willing to sacrifice Scudetto to try and do something in Europe, is Juve willing to take the risk of ending up with 0 titles.
I remember Lippi quite often resting players in Serie A for a midweek European games.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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:tup: this is what I thought the talks would be about as well.... is Juve willing to sacrifice Scudetto to try and do something in Europe, is Juve willing to take the risk of ending up with 0 titles.
We crashed out of the CL because we got 1 win in 4 tries vs. Copenhagen and Galatasaray.

You don't have to sacrifice Serie A to get 2 wins vs. FCK. In fact, all you really had to do was probably sub on Llorente but instead he picked Giovinco. :howler:

Unrealistic expectations!
 

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