Antonio Conte (54 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

We are not boring because we had more possession and shots on goal.

Who cares if Juve is boring or not until we are winning? you should stop crying, we are not real madrid where coach is forced to play "not boring" football

 

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[Bianconero81]

Look at Guardiola's Bayern.

Much Possession
Passing Fluid
Goals Zero
So WoW

 

[Raz]

Conte should have a plan not when we concede, but specificaly when bonucci makes a blunder.

 

[Klin]

We dominated benfica on every stat except goals scored

Exactly.

Who cares if Juve is boring or not until we are winning? you should stop crying, we are not real madrid where coach is forced to play "not boring" football

Are we winning?

 

[Raz]

I don't get Conte though, it's should be obvious how bad boncci is at defending, plus is insistence to play such a slow football, kill every counter possible is kind of strange.

That said, we usually play the same and if we don't blunder a goal we get a win or at the very least a draw by the end.

 

[Klin]

I don't get Conte though, it's should be obvious how bad boncci is at defending, plus is insistence to play such a slow football, kill every counter possible is kind of strange.

That said, we usually play the same and if we don't blunder a goal we get a win or at the very least a draw by the end.

Good post.

With regards to the latter part, I agree as well, but these blunders are happening frequently and I don't see Conte doing anything about it. Our supposed tactics are to neutralize our opponents' tactics, yet we have no plan when we don't do that.

 

[Luca]

Someone here mentioned how every time we want to start an attack we go right back to defence first. It's true and really illogical, considering the caliber of mids we have.

We also horribly misuse the melina (knocking the ball around between the defenders) I'd like to see how many minutes we've thrown away doing that.

Both make everything so slow and predictable, we work hard but the way we do it just makes everything so hard and painful.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Exactly.



Are we winning?

Conte's winning percent is ~70%, yes we are winning

 

[Klin]

Conte's winning percent is ~70%, yes we are winning

65% of those in the tricky, difficult Serie A of course.

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Someone here mentioned how every time we want to start an attack we go right back to defence first. It's true and really illogical, considering the caliber of mids we have.

We horribly misuse the melina (knocking the ball around between the defenders) is like to see how many minutes we've thrown away doing that.

Both make everything so slow and predictable, we work hard but the way we do it just makes everything so hard and painful.

 

[Raz]

Good post.

With regards to the latter part, I agree as well, but these blunders are happening frequently and I don't see Conte doing anything about it. Our supposed tactics are to neutralize our opponents' tactics, yet we have no plan when we don't do that.

Yeah it's strange. It seems we don't have a different plan when we go goal down, team doesn't up the intensity, o speed change, just nothing. We go doing the same business as if it were 0-0. This time it almost worked, we almost salvaged a draw, which would have been a positive result in the end. But thinking of the long term, IMO, this won't do in the future. We can't expect to loose a goal against a top side like Chelsea, Bayern, Real, barca or any other team in CL and expect to get positive results every time without any change of plan accordingly to the situation.

To me it seems we have one plan (which works most of the times in Serie A), we go out and play our game, no matter what. The problem is that this slow game is not enough in Europe, and against top teams it's 50/50, which isn't enough if we want to win something.

I was a bit comparing yesturday us with RM, well we intercept the ball and our first pass is to look for Pirlo or a defender, who usually are behind the ball, and their second pass is to slow the tempo down, while the opponents gets back into position and then we try to move slowly forward. When RM get the ball they have one two passes and they are in the opponents half. Now everyone will say we lack the personel (which I agree), but every single time doing this is not down to personel but to a very cautious coach. That makes us very predictable and boring (not in a good way).

Apart from the coach unwillingness to mix things up and try to catch the opponents off guard, maybe it has something to do with Pirlo? He's still class and can do some wonders, but maybe he is not able to increase the tempo of the big game anymore?

 

[Klin]

Yeah it's strange. It seems we don't have a different plan when we go goal down, team doesn't up the intensity, o speed change, just nothing. We go doing the same business as if it were 0-0. This time it almost worked, we almost salvaged a draw, which would have been a positive result in the end. But thinking of the long term, IMO, this won't do in the future. We can't expect to loose a goal against a top side like Chelsea, Bayern, Real, barca or any other team in CL and expect to get positive results every time without any change of plan accordingly to the situation.

To me it seems we have one plan (which works most of the times in Serie A), we go out and play our game, no matter what. The problem is that this slow game is not enough in Europe, and against top teams it's 50/50, which isn't enough if we want to win something.

I was a bit comparing yesturday us with RM, well we intercept the ball and our first pass is to look for Pirlo or a defender, who usually are behind the ball, and their second pass is to slow the tempo down, while the opponents gets back into position and then we try to move slowly forward. When RM get the ball they have one two passes and they are in the opponents half. Now everyone will say we lack the personel (which I agree), but every single time doing this is not down to personel but to a very cautious coach. That makes us very predictable and boring (not in a good way).

Apart from the coach unwillingness to mix things up and try to catch the opponents off guard, maybe it has something to do with Pirlo? He's still class and can do some wonders, but maybe he is not able to increase the tempo of the big game anymore?

I'm definitely repping the shit out of that post.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Our slow motion 1-2s between Buffon and the defence have to be stopped ffs. Even under pressure we insist on doing it and then we hoof it anuway. It's an insanely high risk waste of time. Thank god about 15 clubs in Italy are still too scared to press us with any real conviction.

 

[Raz]

And one more thing. Apart of everything tactically, mentally and any other way possible, what is the thing with Conte giving chances after chances to players like Osvaldo? I seriously don't get it, it's not a first time a really bad player is being given valuable minutes. Is it really us that fail to see something in them or Conte keeps imagining something (I can't see what a player like osvaldo adds to our game, apart from making us more handicaped and playng one more man down).

I love Conte and I would not think of changing him anytime soon, but the guy should be more flexible.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

I still want to know why an away game in the semis against last years runners up was the perfect time to give our most out of form striker a chance.

 

[Klin]

I still want to know why an away game in the semis against last years runners up was the perfect time to give our most out of form striker a chance.

Because they have slow defenders.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Mirko 'The flash' Vucinic abused those pesky slow defenders hard.

 

[blondu]

donno what he was thinking by not starting with llorente.

 

[ravipiero]

As long as he wins us scudetto, I don't have a problem regrading european result. Although I'd love to see Conte wins a champions league.

The problem with Conte is his squad is built typically to 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 formations. We have 3 box-to-box and 1 deep lying midfielder, thats all. I know conte wants pirlo as the hub between juve's defending line to front, but if we can get a ball playing defender (eg luiz, pique, ramos type) we can eliminate pirlo position to a trequartista or false nine and play more attacking 3-4-3 or 3-4-1-2 formation.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Conte didn't do a lot wrong, certain individuals let him, the team and the fans down tonight. we all $#@!ing all over them in the 2nd half

He did a lot of wrong in this match. Only a blind can't see those:
- Starting Vucinic who barely played this season and was on the verge of leaving. He's never shown any determination since the unsuccessful swap incident.
- Taking off Tevez and putting on Osvaldo are actually two mistakes. You simply don't take Tevez off in a match like this. Against Serie A minnows Conte would let him stay till the final whistle, why?
- Bonucci still plays. The guy should have hit the bench long time ago. He even lost his very good long balls. He simply useless. Ogbonna is a much better defender if he wanted to play a 3 man defense.
- Not starting Llorente was a very bad decision.

Those are quite a lot if you ask me.

The team we just lost to today doesn't have a single player that would make our first XI. You can't justify these results in Europe any longer. We have a ton of talent on this roster.

I wouldn't be surprised if we beat this team 3-0 today if we had simply dropped Pirlo and Bonucci and pressed them with a 4 man defence.

Thing is our organization of the game is poor. We're better on paper but they were the better organized team hence they made it up for the lack of quality.

2-1. Hmmm. A result Bayern wishes they had from their away leg.

Yes because they just played half-team injured Benfica

Marchisio and Pogba missed sitters ffs. We created chances tonight, but lady luck wasn't on our side.

And it's always the same excuse in Europe. It's not about luck.

This is not the first mistake Bonucci made, yet Conte insists on playing him. The fault is 100% on Conte. It's his job to change things when they're not working. Marotta even got him a 15M defender last Summer.

This is a mystery for me. A huge one. He's simply not good enough to be a starter. He's a bench material.

Problem is Bonucci can't even protect himself so in games like this he adds nothing

If we had an extra midfielder i'd be up for benching Pirlo anyway in games like this. His world class free kicks keep masking his very poor European performances. He is a legend but sadly doesn't have the legs for intense games. People can literally walk past him providing they don't walk within 2 yards of his personal space.

You're absolutely right. It was lapses in concentration. We are playing players that fit the formation. If we did not have this formation, we would not have the players that have lapses in concentration.

Example, if we did not play 3-5-2 we would not be using Bonucci. If we did not use Bonucci he wouldn't be directly involved in 2 of the goals today.

You see how they link?

 

[Klin]

As long as he wins us scudetto, I don't have a problem regrading european result.

This is what's wrong with us.