Antonio Conte (154 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

We got 1 point against Real Madrid in two games.Thats facts for you.'We could've won' ,'we should've won' are all if's and but's.

5 points in 4 games against Copenhagen and Galatasaray is also facts for you.

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I'm not talking about rule, but chances. Being in a second pot will get you easier teams to play against and better chance to qualify.

On paper.

 

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[Pirlo's Beard]

More often than not, a higher pot gets you a better draw

No, it's not a rule set in stone. But I don't get why people are even debating this as though being in a lower pot means nothing.

 

[Xperd]

5 points in 4 games against Copenhagen and Galatasaray is also facts for you.

Exception to the rule.I know where you're going with your point here.

Fact is Madrid are more likely to beat us than we are to beat them,they're a better team than us.

 

[Hængebøffer]

As long as our coach has the right mentality and approach in the CL, this team is gonna qualify no matter what. Look at Napoli's group and they were unlucky not to qualify.

 

[Xperd]

On paper.

Juventus have a HIGHER PROBABILITY of progressing in a group consisting of say,United,Dynamo Kyiv and some random club than say bayern,PSG and Shakthar.

 

[JuveJay]

More often than not, a higher pot gets you a better draw

No, it's not a rule set in stone. But I don't get why people are even debating this as though being in a lower pot means nothing.

If by 'people' you mean me then I'll say I'm not debating the absolute fact that if you are drawn in a lower pot you will face tougher teams, at least on paper. What I am saying is that if you compare our two CL campaigns, and then look at our performances and results in the bigger games both in that competition and in the domestic one, you will see that the bigger games bring the best out of us. For me that has been clear for some time, our focus and determination is better.

I know we're not allowed to make 'excuses', but there have been one or two exceptions and reasons for that, not least a few hundred million euros. As I say, there is no rule, you do the business on the pitch, XI vs XI, and all relevant clichés.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Starting to see a pattern now with the mentality

"Ah we drew against copenhagen, nevermind we have 5 games left."

5 Games later

"The pitch was a mess, it's not our fault that Gala beat us"

"Who cares about the Coppa, shit trophy. It's beneath us"

Soon it will be "Who cares if Trabzonspor knocked us out? The EL is shit"

If we keep that up, we'll be in pot 4 saying "Well, we did get the group of death. It's not our fault we didn't qualify with 10 points. We would have went through in an easier group"

It's time to stop looking at reasons why our losses 'don't matter' and just start doing what other top clubs do and keep on winning, get co-eff points, get easier groups and stop underachieving.

 

[Vlad]

On paper.

Over the course of 10 years I'd put my money on a team in weaker group to qualify more frequently than the one constantly being drawn against top teams. Simple really.

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Juventus have a HIGHER PROBABILITY of progressing in a group consisting of say,United,Dynamo Kyiv and some random club than say bayern,PSG and Shakthar.

Hopefully he'll get it.

 

[JuveJay]

Over the course of 10 years I'd put my money on a team in weaker group to qualify more frequently than the one constantly being drawn against top teams. Simple really.

Clearly. So therefore it would be better for us to play against two weaker teams and a big side in pot 1? That's the point I don't necessarily agree with, for reasons given. It's a bit of a double edged sword, until I see something which suggests we have the mentality to sweep opponents aside in a knock out format.

 

[Xperd]

Clearly. So therefore it would be better for us to play against two weaker teams and a big side in pot 1? That's the point I don't necessarily agree with, for reasons given. It's a bit of a double edged sword, until I see something which suggests we have the mentality to sweep opponents aside in a knock out format.

We can,we just need a bit more attacking quality.We need those players who destroy small teams in Europe too.

Look at all the other European teams in CL,they have great attacking depth.IMO its not an issue of mentality.Even if it is ,its not a deciding factor in our failure(s) in Europe.

 

[Vlad]

Clearly. So therefore it would be better for us to play against two weaker teams and a big side in pot 1? That's the point I don't necessarily agree with, for reasons given. It's a bit of a double edged sword, until I see something which suggests we have the mentality to sweep opponents aside in a knock out format.

It's probability, not something you can agree or disagree with.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Exception to the rule.I know where you're going with your point here.

Fact is Madrid are more likely to beat us than we are to beat them,they're a better team than us.

As Individuals, yes - as a team, no. I don't know why people think money is everything, but let me tell you this; if the Real management doesn't take another approach regarding their transfers, they won't win the CL in a long long time.

 

[Xperd]

As Individuals, yes - as a team, no. I don't know why people think money is everything, but let me tell you this; if the Real management doesn't take another approach regarding their transfers, they won't win the CL in a long long time.

But they still make it to the latter rounds every year.Yes,money matters.

I agree ,Real overdo it.If they can find the right balance instead of buying star forwards ,they can become an unstoppable force in my opinion.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Over the course of 10 years I'd put my money on a team in weaker group to qualify more frequently than the one constantly being drawn against top teams. Simple really

Yeah, but football is not simple and we're talking about a specific team here, in this case Juve. Let's compare what we did.

 

[JuveJay]

It's probability, not something you can agree or disagree with.

Clearly. I'll type it again. I won't type the next part again, though.

 

[Vlad]

Yeah, but football is not simple and we're talking about a specific team here, in this case Juve. Let's compare what we did.

You can't compare 2 years if you want to get representative results, more like +10. Even that might lead you to a wrong conclusions.

 

[Hængebøffer]

But they still make it to the latter rounds every year.Yes,money matters.

I agree ,Real overdo it.If they can find the right balance instead of buying star forwards ,they can become an unstoppable force in my opinion.

And they only reached two semi finals over the last 10-11 years and that was thanks to Mourinho. We've fucked up once and there's no excuse, this current team is miles ahead of Gala and Copenhagen.

Maybe I misunderstand you, but, to me, it seems like people underestimate our team. I still blame Conte for our exist, cause in that period our best players played some of the worst football I've seen during Conte's period. And let's be honest - the games against Real came at the worst possible time for us.

 

[Hængebøffer]

You can't compare 2 years if you want to get representative results, more like +10. Even that might lead you to a wrong conclusions.

Did you look at +10 years from our point of view? Plus then there's the fact that some of the strongest teams are not even top seeded.

 

[Vlad]

And they only reached two semi finals over the last 10-11 years and that was thanks to Mourinho. We've fucked up once and there's no excuse, this current team is miles ahead of Gala and Copenhagen.

Maybe I misunderstand you, but, to me, it seems like people underestimate our team. I still blame Conte for our exist, cause in that period our best players played some of the worst football I've seen during Conte's period. And let's be honest - the games against Real came at the worst possible time for us.

I blame confed. cup, as it hampered our preparations. You could've seen in those summer tournaments, btw many people called them irrelevant, but it was evident that we'll have a rocky start. Unfortunately CL was impacted the most, competition we severely lack experience in.

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Did you look at 10+ years from our point of view? Plus then there's the fact that some of the strongest teams are not even top seeded.

I'm certain that basic statistics can be applied in this case. No need to waste my time.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I blame confed. cup, as it hampered our preparations. You could've seen in those summer tournaments, btw many people called them irrelevant, but it was evident that we'll have a rocky start. Unfortunately CL was impacted the most, competition we severely lack experience in.

That's also a factor. Some of our core players have played non stop since Conte's arrival.

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I blame confed. cup, as it hampered our preparations. You could've seen in those summer tournaments, btw many people called them irrelevant, but it was evident that we'll have a rocky start. Unfortunately CL was impacted the most, competition we severely lack experience in.

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I'm certain that basic statistics can be applied in this case. No need to waste my time.

And that's problem.