Antonio Conte (155 Viewers)
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Exactly. Formation is not just a number. Although heavily dependent of the players interpretation of a certain role, coach still has to position them there. Caceres on a LCB spot would without any doubt contribute in a very different way, than he did yesterday. Same goes for any other player.
Conte prefers 3-5-2 in Italy because it helps us keep possession. Even if that possession is mostly around our back line, it's still possession. And we control 90% of the games we play. Last year we started 9-1-1 too if I'm not mistaken. I mean, we still pick up a ridiculous amount of points with 3-5-2. However, there are games where you know right away that it won't work. That is when we have to change formations. Conte needs to recognize it faster and adjust accordingly.
I honestly understand the 3-5-2 preference in Serie A because the game is slower and teams are reluctant to press us instead hoping for counters which the 3-5-2 holds up better against than a 4 man line when the fullbacks push up.
In Europe, it has to be 4 man back line every game.
Edit: One thing I'll say about the 3-5-2 and our play in general is that it is very, very structured and rigid. I don't think Conte allows much, if any freedom in our attack. If you just watch our corner kicks vs. Madrid. Obviously he instructed us to just pass it back to avoid counters.
Our 3-5-2 attacking is extremely rigid, the only player that makes any sort of movement is Tevez, the rest are nailed to their positions. You will see players sometimes stray into an area to make a tackle and then immediately sprint back to position instead of pursuing the play.
You will never see a wing back drift inside or exchange positions. If you actually watch our player movements every game, you will start to see very distinct patterns that are very predictable.
For example, our CMs always position themselves on the corner of the box and in build up they will often drop in between the wingback and the CB on that side.
Our second striker will always look to get played into feet on the edge of the box after he runs across the target man. Our CBs will always take their space when Pirlo is man marked and find themselves in midfield. Our wingbacks will always pass back inside. Our CMs must always fight like dogs to sprint back and cover Pirlo's sides. Not allowed to stay up for even 15 seconds. Target man has to always push up as high as he can to draw at least 1 defender, he never makes a diagonal run. You never see long through balls to strikers, they always go to CMs, if we ever play them. Could go on... I'm sure opponents have recognized these tendencies by now.
I honestly understand the 3-5-2 preference in Serie A because the game is slower and teams are reluctant to press us instead hoping for counters which the 3-5-2 holds up better against than a 4 man line when the fullbacks push up.
In Europe, it has to be 4 man back line every game.
Edit: One thing I'll say about the 3-5-2 and our play in general is that it is very, very structured and rigid. I don't think Conte allows much, if any freedom in our attack. If you just watch our corner kicks vs. Madrid. Obviously he instructed us to just pass it back to avoid counters.
Our 3-5-2 attacking is extremely rigid, the only player that makes any sort of movement is Tevez, the rest are nailed to their positions. You will see players sometimes stray into an area to make a tackle and then immediately sprint back to position instead of pursuing the play.
You will never see a wing back drift inside or exchange positions. If you actually watch our player movements every game, you will start to see very distinct patterns that are very predictable.
For example, our CMs always position themselves on the corner of the box and in build up they will often drop in between the wingback and the CB on that side.
Our second striker will always look to get played into feet on the edge of the box after he runs across the target man. Our CBs will always take their space when Pirlo is man marked and find themselves in midfield. Our wingbacks will always pass back inside. Our CMs must always fight like dogs to sprint back and cover Pirlo's sides. Not allowed to stay up for even 15 seconds. Target man has to always push up as high as he can to draw at least 1 defender, he never makes a diagonal run. You never see long through balls to strikers, they always go to CMs, if we ever play them. Could go on... I'm sure opponents have recognized these tendencies by now.
What coaches aren't stubborn?
If you don't strongly believe in what you are doing, you can't be a coach.
Juve's squad is build for 3-5-2, so I believe they need to play 3-5-2 in most games (as much as I dislike the system).
That can be reviewed when there are meetings about future transfer strategy and how Conte wants Juve to play in the future.
If you don't strongly believe in what you are doing, you can't be a coach.
Juve's squad is build for 3-5-2, so I believe they need to play 3-5-2 in most games (as much as I dislike the system).
That can be reviewed when there are meetings about future transfer strategy and how Conte wants Juve to play in the future.
Watching us this year and last year i think he has brought the team backwards. Outside our starting 11 there is about 3-4 good players and the rest are utter shit. In 3 transfer markets we still have far to many defenders that we dont need. We have 2 good right backs no good left back and no wingers i can only call that a disaster in the transfer market. Also Giaccherini one of our most mobile players was sold who was very useful for us as he could play centre mid and wing. Having €18 million Asamoah playing out of position as left back is also very bad from the management. He is a really good centre mid yet he is wasted at left back where he is not very good.
I think you go way too far with it but I agree our transfer market decisions aren't good enough. Management along with Conte can't seem to find balance between quality and quantity. Peluso and DC never play, Padoin barely does and Isla is a complete flop.
We should look to offload some wing backs during the summer (for example Isla and DC) and maybe one CB if Conte finally decides to drop 352. We need more quality upfront because we're too slow in our play and suck around the box as well as at finishing.
In Serie A we can win with any formation imo. We can as well loose it with 352 there's no guarantee.
We should look to offload some wing backs during the summer (for example Isla and DC) and maybe one CB if Conte finally decides to drop 352. We need more quality upfront because we're too slow in our play and suck around the box as well as at finishing.
In Serie A we can win with any formation imo. We can as well loose it with 352 there's no guarantee.
Asamoah at LWB is a huge problem as well. They need to start from the ground up by shipping all the dead weight out first then sign players that will bring us forward not backwards. Ogbonna should play LB im sure he can do it better than Asamoah. Conte decided to go with the 3-5-2 when we knew after the Bayern game it was clear a back 4 was needed. I question the whole managent 1 person is not to blame.
Overall it's just not good enough when we want to mount a challenge in Europe. If they get it wrong next season i will just lose all faith in the board.
Overall it's just not good enough when we want to mount a challenge in Europe. If they get it wrong next season i will just lose all faith in the board.
Asamoah as LWB is a problem I agree but he's a necessary player here. We can put him as CM and even as LB when we need to. He's not that bad at LWB either he's just not that good going forward while he's good at defending.
I don't think Ogbonna is suited to play as LB. He's too big and too slow for that position, Asamoah is much better player for LB imo.
The bolded part is exactly what I meant. I completely agree. We should have sold Isla to merda and use Ogbonna money to buy a proper winger. Funny fact is we paid 9.5m for HALF of injured Isla while Callejon cost nipples like 10m? Mertens like 13m?
I don't think Ogbonna is suited to play as LB. He's too big and too slow for that position, Asamoah is much better player for LB imo.
The bolded part is exactly what I meant. I completely agree. We should have sold Isla to merda and use Ogbonna money to buy a proper winger. Funny fact is we paid 9.5m for HALF of injured Isla while Callejon cost nipples like 10m? Mertens like 13m?
