Antonio Conte (140 Viewers)
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Its predictable, but its due to lack of quality in certain players and not the formation not being offensive enough. In a 3-5-2 we can impose ourselves so much on the opposition, that we have had countless games where we have our 3 CBs basically just outside the oppositions box, taking part in the high possession game, or taking horrible shots ala Chiellini. That never ever happens with a 4-3-3, small details like that kinda signifies the offensive level in the two formations. That a 3-5-2 is completely not suited against certain oppositions due to tactical limitations, is mainly for defensive reasons for me , quality teams with wingers and fullbacks who pinback our wingbacks so it becomes 5 defenders, making us lose the midfield (CMs having to drift wide to help out), clear the ball all the time and succumb to basic aggressive pressure due our attacker or CM being overcrowded, and so on til all hope is lost. It effects the offensive game obviously, but primarly the tactical limitation in such a sitaution is first and foremost a defensive one.
3 CBs means the rest of the team can push up when transitioning to attacking (since they will cover fairly well for wingbacks and CMs by moving higher up the pitch), it basically turns into a 3-3-4 due to high positions the wingbacks take. This leads to us often being able to pinback the opposition to just outside their own box with our whole team and setting up shop, making this suitable enough set-up offensively as a tactic (heavy amount of possession with most of your team pushed up in opponents half = offensive enough as a tactic), the fact that our wingbacks are completely average when it comes to coming with offensive solutions is another matter. And yes there is plenty enough times when this formation is not needed against certain teams, but I wouldnt say the formation or tactic itself is the issue, but not having that ideal of players to completely utilize it offensively, and the team in general not putting in enough work and effort into it as they did in the near past.
The results with Real are not Conte's fault.
Tactically we were superior both times. The first time, the game was gifted by the ref, you cannot really expect to win Real in their home, after the ref gifts them a penalty and give us a red card.
This happens every year, to ensure that nothing strange happens to real in the early season and are left out.
This year we were the victim. But we knew what we were facing from the CL draw.
On the second leg, we were better as a team once again. Not very improved than last year in the areas we were lacking the most (defensive solidarity and prolific finishing) we still lost our chances and conceded by a defensive mistake. But the difference was made by the individual brilliance of C Ronaldo and Bale, two of the most expensive players in the world. Players than can make the difference, despite us having the tactical upperhand.
Coach is to be blamed for his approach on the early matches though, esp the Galata home game, this is where we have lost the qualification, the rest was an impossible task.
It was expected to gain at max., 1 point from the two games with Real, as we knew that they have better quality and the ref favor.
We knew that the fixture pitted us against the Real in the 2 middle games, were ussually the qualification is won or lost.
So we had to take the best of our chances in the early games.
We knew that Galata managed to do better than us in the transfer market and will be stronger than ever and we know that when they play home they will have all the support they need to beat a club like us.
There are no excuses, the situation was in our hand and we let it slip, it is now to late and it would be stupid to overlook what really caused the disqualification and have unrealistic expectation of the last two matches.
The blame game will issues that will affect us more in the league, lets just focus at least securing the EL spot, by beating Copenhagen home, in the next round...
MAybe it is all for the best, we will have more focus on the LEague, get our third star officially and hopefully make a better Uefa coefficiant in the EL so that next years will will be in a better pot.
Tactically we were superior both times. The first time, the game was gifted by the ref, you cannot really expect to win Real in their home, after the ref gifts them a penalty and give us a red card.
This happens every year, to ensure that nothing strange happens to real in the early season and are left out.
This year we were the victim. But we knew what we were facing from the CL draw.
On the second leg, we were better as a team once again. Not very improved than last year in the areas we were lacking the most (defensive solidarity and prolific finishing) we still lost our chances and conceded by a defensive mistake. But the difference was made by the individual brilliance of C Ronaldo and Bale, two of the most expensive players in the world. Players than can make the difference, despite us having the tactical upperhand.
Coach is to be blamed for his approach on the early matches though, esp the Galata home game, this is where we have lost the qualification, the rest was an impossible task.
It was expected to gain at max., 1 point from the two games with Real, as we knew that they have better quality and the ref favor.
We knew that the fixture pitted us against the Real in the 2 middle games, were ussually the qualification is won or lost.
So we had to take the best of our chances in the early games.
We knew that Galata managed to do better than us in the transfer market and will be stronger than ever and we know that when they play home they will have all the support they need to beat a club like us.
There are no excuses, the situation was in our hand and we let it slip, it is now to late and it would be stupid to overlook what really caused the disqualification and have unrealistic expectation of the last two matches.
The blame game will issues that will affect us more in the league, lets just focus at least securing the EL spot, by beating Copenhagen home, in the next round...
MAybe it is all for the best, we will have more focus on the LEague, get our third star officially and hopefully make a better Uefa coefficiant in the EL so that next years will will be in a better pot.
We dont have players suited for 4-3-3 either, in fact more issues if we make this our primary formation. No winger whatsoever so have to play best attacker as a winger and watch him dissapear from games like last night, plus play Marchisio out of position on the other side (with zero backups for either). Not to mention a CM as an LB that is competely more inadequate there positional wise then as LWB. And prolly watch our defense suffer more because they are clearly more secure and used to 3 man set up (watch out our same trio look completely off in positioning for Italy in 4 man defense).
If we:
A) lack quality in certain areas
B) don't have wing backs that can beat their Man
C) rarely cross with consistent accuracy
Why don't we just use the 433 when we have the players more suited to it?
Oh the tough decisions.
A) lack quality in certain areas
B) don't have wing backs that can beat their Man
C) rarely cross with consistent accuracy
Why don't we just use the 433 when we have the players more suited to it?
Oh the tough decisions.
If we:
A) lack quality in certain areas
B) don't have wing backs that can beat their Man
C) rarely cross with consistent accuracy
Why don't we just use the 433 when we have the players more suited to it?
Oh the tough decisions.
A) lack quality in certain areas
B) don't have wing backs that can beat their Man
C) rarely cross with consistent accuracy
Why don't we just use the 433 when we have the players more suited to it?
Oh the tough decisions.
I would opt for a 3-4-3 against smaller teams.
