Antonio Conte (168 Viewers)

How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
i have to agree. with juvejay.

this team can barely score a goal at home to pescara. it was never going to score 4 in 25 mintues against a top class team
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,366
What does the past (in which you imo underestimate the Germans, but that's beside the point) have to do with the current state of European football anyway?

The German league is a better one than the Italian. That's not an opinion, mind you, that's a fact. And I'd say that being in the top 3 (soon to be top 2 maybe?) in Europe, makes it one of the best footballing countries.


Wait, I almost forgot: lol
Not maybe, definitely. Germany was to be number 2 even before the quarter finals regardless of the coming results.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
Did you expect the team to score 4 goals in 25 minutes? Of course you would give up when a team like Bayern takes it to 3-0 on aggregate that late into the match.

You can talk all you want about Conte's tactical errors and wrong lineup selections, but when it comes to desire and grit, questioning Conte is just laughable really.
Dude, we all love Conte, but after the showings against bayern..we are in all our right to raise our eyebrows.
He never adjusted or tried to change what was going on, then after the first game he went to the media and said we dont belong and we are outsiders etc etc. Then the second game comes and well we tried but we knew we were already out. And again he failed to inject some of his intellect into the game via subs etc..

He has a long way to go, but luckily for us theres still time. The thing is that he should learn from this experience and return wiser for the next campaign.

Like Baggio said, its not the end of the world.. we lost against one of the very best.... but seriously...we could have been defeated with pride. We were simply skinned and the players were just there to be pummeled. No grinta no nothing... they were defeated mentally before both kegs started and that hurts.
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
13,883
I hope you become our next coach, you have more pride and "grinta" than Conte. Not mentioning your absolute superiority when it comes to tactical analysis and your vast experience in european football.
 

Jem83

maitre'd at Canal Bar
Nov 7, 2005
22,870
Just to put things in perspective:

The so called greatest coach of all time (and even if you don't agree with that; at least he's definitely in the top 5 of all time) Sir Alex Ferguson, has won the European Cup/Champions League 2 times during his 27 year-long stint at Manchester United, one of the greatest clubs in the world, and a club that is and has always been well equipped to win the CL, mind you.

We're talking about the hardest competition, not just in world football, but in world sport here. We're back in this tournament after a pretty lengthy absence, and I for one am very proud of what we achieved in this tournament this season.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Apart from the fact that we were playing with handicaps because of Marotta's work, like a toothless attack, as we have no finisher, a shaky defense as we use a CM as LB and time bomb in Bonucci.
We were outplayed in a tragic level, twice and this degree means that the coach is also at fault as well, as the difference in material, was to their favor indeed, but not thaaaaat much...


Having said, there is absolutely no chance in hell that this board will be lucky enough to find anything, even remotely close to Conte's value, so there is no reason to wish him gone, at any case, just some healthy criticism, to focus where it hursts and streghten our selves.
 

Raz

Senior Member
Nov 20, 2005
12,218
Apart from the fact that we were playing with handicaps because of Marotta's work, like a toothless attack, as we have no finisher, a shaky defense as we use a CM as LB and time bomb in Bonucci.
We were outplayed in a tragic level, twice and this degree means that the coach is also at fault as well, as the difference in material, was to their favor indeed, but not thaaaaat much...
And we were among top 8 teams, with all that, which might mean that they are not that shit as they you are calling them.

And to add that this is the first year we are in a CL with a proper team and a good coach might be looked upon as a positivie thing.

Cronios with you, I'm sure you would go all out attack on our team even if we would have lost in final. It would go something lik this - "Apart from the fact that we were playing with handicaps because of Marotta's work, like a toothless attack, as we have no finisher, a shaky defense as we use a CM as LB and time bomb in Bonucci. If not for all this we would have been champions." The thing you are missing that this team have reached this with the players you mentioned and the team as a whole as it is, so maybe it's not that awfull as you are painting it?
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Did you expect the team to score 4 goals in 25 minutes? Of course you would give up when a team like Bayern takes it to 3-0 on aggregate that late into the match.

You can talk all you want about Conte's tactical errors and wrong lineup selections, but when it comes to desire and grit, questioning Conte is just laughable really.

No, you didn't understand what i was insinuating. I didn't expect 4 goals in 25 minutes at all. But by the team's reaction you could tell that they were never in the match to begin with. You'd normally see a team get very upset and, expressing anger or being upset and conceding a goal that killed the tie. We weren't. Almost like we had accepted the fact that we were losing to a better team.

I do t think it's just the tactics. We were mentally defeated a lot before the tie even began and Conte's constant praise of Bayern seems to have taken the pressure off. Before the game I had thought he's probably playing to the gallery and making Juve look down and out, but Juve on the pitch looked and behaved down and out. That's what was sad.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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Just to put things in perspective:

The so called greatest coach of all time (and even if you don't agree with that; at least he's definitely in the top 5 of all time) Sir Alex Ferguson, has won the European Cup/Champions League 2 times during his 27 year-long stint at Manchester United, one of the greatest clubs in the world, and a club that is and has always been well equipped to win the CL, mind you.

We're talking about the hardest competition, not just in world football, but in world sport here. We're back in this tournament after a pretty lengthy absence, and I for one am very proud of what we achieved in this tournament this season.
it's harder to win in the championship than in the cl
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
I personally don't buy that TBH.

No matter how good Bayern are/have been in the last years it's still not an excuse for Juve or Conte to not put a fight in both legs, I saw no fight, no willing, no desire and he was pretty much mentally prepared for this exit after praising Bayern way too much and saying how big is the difference between the two teams, that's a mistake. I wasn't expecting Juve to dominate and eliminate them but I expected a good fight.

Also, I keep reading where this team was before and where this team is now, wake the fvck up 7 years had already passed on Calciopoli, it's only about time Juve start fighting for CL and stop showing satisfaction for quarter finals or 2nd rounds. Yes, Conte did brilliant last season but are you going to talk about the undefeated last season for the next 5years? Either some fan's standards have dropped or the fans that I see here have only seen Juve after Calciopoli.

Conte is the right man for the right job, that's obvious, but he has his mistakes too, when one says what his mistakes are tactically then it's pretty stupid to keep reminding her/him how Conte won last season's Scudetto. Last season was last season.
Man speaks wise words.

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it wouldn't have mattered whether or not we played 4-3-3 or whatever against bayern either way we were outclassed by a team of sheer quality throughout and i don't see how that is Conte's fault. you can't expect to build a CL winning team in 18 months, especially coming from 7th place twice. It's a shame that people seem more concerned with Conte's inabilities and would be happy to see him gone.
There's a difference between being beaten and having your ass handed back to you on a plate.

The way we played meant the latter happened.

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i have to agree. with juvejay.

this team can barely score a goal at home to pescara. it was never going to score 4 in 25 mintues against a top class team
If that's what you tell yourself during a game then you're 100% right.
 

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