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dann10

Ho visto Del Piero
Aug 26, 2008
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We're obviously not playing to our full potential, and have thrown away the past 2 games. What could we lose by switching to a 4-3-3 for a few games until our essential 352 players return?

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Buffon

Barzagli - Bonucci - Chiellini

Lichtsteiner - Vidal - Pirlo - Marchisio - Asamoah

Giovinco - Vucinic

well said :tup:
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
61,692
3-5-2 is what made us the team we are in the first place. There is no point in leaving it. But, we could obviously improve it. What we lack in order for this formation to work is more offense from our wingers. Licht and Asamoah are great but not so much offensively. Isla getting back to his Udinese form would be huge for us and would be like a new 20m top player signing.

Also I love Gio and Vucinic but you can't expect those two to carry the offensive load on their shoulders. 3-5-2 doesn't offer you offensive midfielders or wingers to help out offensively so basically it comes down to Gio and Vuci having to do things all by themselves since they are basically the only offensively minded players we got. The rest are either regular central midfielders or defenders.

So in order to take the 3-5-2 to the next level we really need to invest heavily on two new strikers, an SS and a goalscorer who are good enough to carry the offense themselves. Suarez/Jovetic playing next to Villa/Dzeko would give this formation what it deserves. But we can't cheat and go cheap on offense. You can teach defense, you can motivate your players to run their lungs out but you can't teach offense and scoring goals.
Great post, Suns.

I'd think about getting a proper LWB after securing our forward positions. Man, imagine Zuniga here.

But do people trust a 4 man backline where the left side consists of Bonucci and De Ceglie? Bonucci has improved so much, but I'm still not sure if I would place that kind of pressure on him just yet.
I don't think the formation is the problem.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
The 3-5-2 is not losing us games. We are winning those games and commit mental errors. Do you guys actually think critically before you post your ideas?

We are beating Parma 1-0 and they can't cross half. Then Vucinic makes a mental mistake and fortune has it that their forward is in a perfect spot to make a run. And he finishes perfectly.

We are beating Sampdoria 1-0. But we are playing sloppy because we don't have all our lineup. They get a shot. RIGHT AT OUR GOALIE. And it goes in.

How does 4-3-3 fix that? Does Buffon say, "Ok. We're playing 4-3-3, time to stop this shot right at me!" or does everyone expect the 4-3-3 to give us 3 and 4 goal leads or something?

And all these goals have come on Chiellini's side. He's hurt. He'll still be hurt in a 4-3-3. Bonucci in a 4 man back line is utter trash. He's worse than Caceres in a 3 man as a LCB.

What will our 4 man back line be? The left side will be Bonucci and who? Peluso? De Ceglie? That's awful. I'd rather stick with the 3-5-2 that is giving us leads and keeping possession and hope our focus returns.
After saying that I'm not sure if you really watch Juve play this season. In 3-5-2 we sit deeper in our half and it's easier for opponents to keep possession, on our half too.

4-3-3 fixes some things that are broken now, for example:
- we lose possession too easily, because when we get the ball back we have nobody to play the ball to as we sit deeper at the back and we can't counter attack.
- because we have only 2 wingers that have mostly defensive duties our game is narrow. Attacking style of play requires using whole width and height of the field. We don't do that.
- because of lack of offensive wingers it's a lot harder for us to counter attack and keep possession but also it's easier for opponents to cut off our forward line, especially when we play Giovinco - Matri. First is outmuscled in the middle, the other can't keep the ball for a second.
- we don't finish our opponents off because we back of when we score instead of putting some pressing.
- with 3-5-2 our build up play is very slow and predictable.

It's true that 4-3-3 doesn't really fix our goal-scoring problems but it's not like we don't face it with 3-5-2. The difference is with 3-5-2 we don't have that much clear opportunities to score, while with 4-3-3 we were very frustrating in the front of goal.

Our style is what worries me the most at the moment. We don't really attack like we used to, we don't put any pressure on opponents, we're nonchalant. It's like we don't care or are always tired. I think we can utilize our players better in 4-3-3 or even 4-4-2 than 3-5-2. It's clearly visible now when we lost 2-3 players, spent millions on depth players who just can't fill it.

Whatever formation we choose we need to get back to the style we presented last season: pressing while we lose the ball, and play faster with keeping the ball when we're in possession.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
I disagree, which I explained in my post. It's fitting players into the side.
Lichtsteiner plays better as RB than RWB, proven.

Asamoah is not a LWB no matter how good he doing (up to discussion).

If by fitting players you mean playing them out of position then you can by all means disagree.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
Great post, Suns.

I'd think about getting a proper LWB after securing our forward positions. Man, imagine Zuniga here.



I don't think the formation is the problem.
I don't think the formation is the problem either just that we don't have the right people for it. And instead of buying someone like Zuniga we let him go to Napoli and buy the epitome of a modern defender instead.
 

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