Antonio Conte (55 Viewers)

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Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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I like Marchisio too, just as you said, his style, attitude and that he is a Juventino. But let us not kid ourselves, he is barely doing anything useful the entire season. He has a match here or there where he adds some spark but in between he vanishes. Calling him a quality player is just as silly.
It kinda is. The sad thing however, is that we only have 2 players that you can really call quality.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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I would call Buffon, Chiellini, Melo, Pirlo, Krasic, Del Piero, Matri and Quagliarella quality and possibly also Lichtsteiner & Ziegler depending on how well they do.
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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That does not mean we have to call the others quality just to fill a quota.

Obviously not. Just felt like pointing out how sad it is :D

Still, one good season & we'll all be singing a different tune. Until they screw up again, that is.


Conte has a point though. Marchisio does remind me of Conte in a way, more than Tacchinardi for example (another name that's been frequently mentioned).
Anyhow, I expect Claudio to, once again, be among the most used players this next season.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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Right, Pirlo should make it 3. Didn't mention him as he is yet to play a game for us.

If Ziegler is quality, Marchisio is world class.
You don't think all those players are quality? I didn't say Ziegler is quality I said he MAY be. It can be judged at the end of the season.

All those players are quality, they may not be of the highest standard or good enough to win a world cup, but with some other players to fill out the rest of the team they could contend for Serie A.


--------Buffon
Licht-CB-Chiellini-LB
-----Pirlo--Melo----
Krasic-----------LW
----Matri--Quag---

That with other quality players to fill up the other spots is not a bad team at all. If you think it is, you are making argument for the sake of argument. It's definitely no 2005-06 team but it's top 4 Serie A 2011-2012.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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Depends on your definition of quality. A player like Marchisio is quality wise, for me, comparable to Krasic, Melo, Quag, ...
I don't see Marchisio in the same class of quality as them. I define quality as being able to change a game and as you know, Marchisio is quite ghost-like. Krasic won a few games for us this season, Melo was our best player of the season and when in form dominated other team's midfields and Quagliarella scored many important goals until his injury.
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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I don't see Marchisio in the same class of quality as them. I define quality as being able to change a game and as you know, Marchisio is quite ghost-like.
No, I don't know that. In fact, I completely disagree with it.


Krasic won a few games for us this season,
True. He also caused us a lot of troubles in other games due to his inability to read the game or his childlike positioning on the pitch.


Melo was our best player of the season and when in form dominated other team's midfields
For me he wasn't. And I don't recall us often dominating other teams' midfields.


and Quagliarella scored many important goals until his injury.
There's no denying that. He looked set to become our best player imo.
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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Krasic is not a quality player, certainly a good player but not quality yet. Ppl talk about Marchi vanishing, I've seen close to nothing from Krasic in the second half of the season when we needed him the most. If you do not consider Marchi then Krasic is certainly on the same boat (same goes to Melo btw).

Marchisio is doing more good than harm and IMO is getting better every season even though he gets moved around the midfield more than any other player. The spirit, attitude, work rate and leadership he shows justifies the minutes he gets. Other players like Bonucci put their heads down but this guy doesn't. Conte was right in comparing him to himself imo. Anotonio was not the best of players technically and his impact wasn't always evident but he always was held in high regard with his manager's and co-players.

Marchisio is certainly isn't anywhere near our biggest problems, so I don't know why ppl keeping bringing him up.
 
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    Krasic on the other hand had a great half season and added a lot. He had his moments, unlike Marchisio who has been stalling for 2 years now.

    The spirit, attitude, work rate
    Exactly :lol2: That's the positive thing about him. You see, he has no positive characteristics that add something on the pitch. Pass, creativity, vision, tackling... it's all average and nothing special about his game.

    leadership he shows
    Yes, being quite for 99% and minding your own business is a good leadership.
     

    B3N

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    Yet this 'nothing special' Marchisio will be the first one to get sold between our midfielders if we put them all on market. And I'm not talking about the likes of Villareal either. wonder why he's not so invisable within other clubs.

    I get it. we're like merda pre calciopoli. the only way to realize and value our players ability is to watch them perform for other teams.
     
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    Yet this 'nothing special' Marchisio will be the first one to get sold between our midfielders if we put them all on market. And I'm not talking about the likes of Villareal either. wonder why he's not so invisable within other clubs.

    I get it. we're like merda pre calciopoli. the only way to realize and value our players ability is to watch them perform for other teams.
    And who told you that, did you have a vision?
     

    sateeh

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    Krasic on the other hand had a great half season and added a lot. He had his moments, unlike Marchisio who has been stalling for 2 years now.



    Exactly :lol2: That's the positive thing about him. You see, he has no positive characteristics that add something on the pitch. Pass, creativity, vision, tackling... it's all average and nothing special about his game.



    Yes, being quite for 99% and minding your own business is a good leadership.
    Laughing is just a wonderful way of arguing...

    Anyway, Krasic was brought in to be a savior if am not mistaken. Someone to replace Diego who has vastly underperformed, some here were arguing that Diego (who is a better player technically if that is the only basis of your argument) had a better impact in a worst team. But I don't see people slating Krasic as much.

    Funny how you ignored the part where I compared him to Conte and where I mentioned that he is the least of our problems but you guys always bring him up for some odd reason. Conte played close to 300 games with us without being a great passer(that was Deschamps), Visionary ( that as Zidane, Neddy), tackler (that was Davids etc).

    You at encompassing the some values that made this club great once, yet these stronger personalities are what we are missing. I don't know what Marchisio you were watching as I always see him talking to the players and leading by example.

    Its a make or break season for him to make the jump from a good player to a quality one but I reiterate he is the least of our problems and actually one of our strong points.
     

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