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How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Vlad

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Hist said:
Dude I am not the one saying he is or was a CL expert like his record has been faultless up to now. I am just pointing his record is and was nothing special. From the get-go it had some low points not just good to great performances. Some good highs and some deep lows and lots in between.

That Milan was Serie A champions and finished 2nd the following year to Conte's undefeated Juve. Wasnt in free fall yet.That happened 2 years later.
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No manager has faultless record in the CL. Ancelotti got kicked out in the group stage by the likes of HSV and Panathinaikos. Up there you just made absurd claim that he fluked 2x into a CL final and then proceeded to dissect his every season. Do you realize how stupid your claim was? In 2017 final we had 7 different players than in 2015.

All things considering he has more success in the CL than your dear Conte.
 

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Hist

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Vlad said:
No manager has faultless record in the CL. Ancelotti got kicked out in the group stage by the likes of HSV and Panathinaikos. Up there you just made absurd claim that he fluked 2x into a CL final and then proceeded to dissect his every season. Do you realize how stupid your claim was? In 2017 final we had 7 different players than in 2015.

All things considering he has more success in the CL than your dear Conte.
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Comparing to Ancelotti now :lol:

Ofcourse no manager has a faultless record but some are genuinely very good at Champions League competitions and some that have a surprise season or two but are generally nothing special. Ancellotti is in the former camp. Allegri is in the latter camp. The nothing special camp.

Monaco (cant recall who was the coach) went deep with much less when we knocked them out on our way to the final. Same for the Ajax that spanked us or Villareal. Spurs reached a Champions League final under Poch.

None of these coaches are considered CL experts by their deluded fanbases and these coaches probably never had horrific campaigns like our current and last. More success than Conte is not a high bar, all these coaches surpassed it in their surprise seasons. Conte does not have a good record in Europe
 
zizinho

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Hist said:
Dude I am not the one saying he is or was a CL expert like his record has been faultless up to now. I am just pointing his record is and was nothing special. From the get-go it had some low points not just good to great performances. Some good highs and some deep lows and lots in between.

That Milan was Serie A champions and finished 2nd the following year to Conte's undefeated Juve. Wasnt in free fall yet.That happened 2 years later.
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Milan was Serie A champion/Allegri
inter is inter/conte
 

Mokku

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The who is better argument is getting nowhere, but consider that Conte left us during pre-season when we really wanted him to stay, whereas we can't get rid of Allegri no matter how many games we get embarrassed. Not sure which is worse but neither belongs here.
 
singus

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Boksic said:
Do you?

1st season = final
2nd season = knocked out by a very good Bayern in a very close battle, which we should have made through if Evra could kick the ball and the ref sent of Kimmich.
3rd season = final
4th season = knocked out by the winners Real harshly after an injury time penalty.
5th season = bad loss to Ajax, who had a very good season in the CL and unlucky not to make the final. We also had to play Rugani as CB. The squad wasn't good enough to go to the final that season.

I fully understand the criticism of Allegri now and he deserves to be fired. But the revisionism of his previous spell is laughable.
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Laugh all you want. But he will forever be remembered as a fraud, milking our club for money and honour, while getting milked by guys like you.

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Vlad said:
You clearly have memory gaps. We werent outplayed by Ajax at Amsterdam. Before Cancello made a brainfart we looked comfortable and looked like we would win the tie. Then injuries happened like so many times for the return leg. Ajax almost made it to the final that year so its not some random team that knocked us out, like Mura. :lol:

Milan were never favorites in that tie, they were on a downward spiral unlike Spurs. In the years that followed Milan spent the next 10 years reveling in mediocrity. You make it sound like Allegri was in charge of the all time great Millan side while in reality they had 36 yo Seedorf starting their games.
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Yeah and he is doing the same to us now
 
Vlad

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Hist said:
Comparing to Ancelotti now :lol:
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Sure, thats what I did. :sergio:

Ofcourse no manager has a faultless record but some are genuinely very good at Champions League competitions and some that have a surprise season or two but are generally nothing special. Ancellotti is in the former camp. Allegri is in the latter camp. The nothing special camp.
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Ancelotti very good? Hes one of the best CL managers of all time, while Max has been very good in his 1st spell, 2 Qfs and 2 finals between 2015-2019. Not many managers had a better record during that period
Monaco (cant recall who was the coach) went deep with much less when we knocked them out on our way to the final. Same for the Ajax that spanked us or Villareal. Spurs reached a Champions League final under Poch.
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more mumbo jumbo from you. Sure those coaches had 1 off season while we were considered genuine title challenger for 4 years.


More success than Conte is not a high bar, all these coaches surpassed it in their surprise seasons. Conte does not have a good record in Europe
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Why are you bringing up Allegri every time Conte makes a wet fart?
 
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Hist

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Mokku said:
The who is better argument is getting nowhere, but consider that Conte left us during pre-season when we really wanted him to stay, whereas we can't get rid of Allegri no matter how many games we get embarrassed. Not sure which is worse but neither belongs here.
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If Allegri at the end of last season called quits saying he's burnt out and doesnt think he can take the club forward under the current budget, and then Agnelli convinced him to think it through the summer and he ended up quitting anyway, I'd have had much more respect for him.

Recognizing your limits and walking away is a good thing not a bad thing.

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Vlad said:
Sure, thats what I did. :sergio:


Ancelotti very good? Hes one of the best CL managers of all time, while Max has been very good in his 1st spell, 2 Qfs and 2 finals between 2015-2019. Not many managers had a better record during that period
more mumbo jumbo from you. Sure those coaches had 1 off season while we were considered genuine title challenger for 4 years.


Why are you bringing up Allegri every time Conte makes a wet fart?
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Ancellotti is clearly an all time great at it. Allegri was made out to be one (or atleast "an expert") when the record doesnt show it. You have to slice and dice the record, eliminating unfortunate facts like his exit to Spurs, the poor form in the run that ended with Ajax and ofc this season and last.

Why bring up Allegri? Take a guess its because he is our current coach and has led us into our worst period since forever and somehow is immune to sacking?
 
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Hist

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Spurs have been super jihadi recently it was only a matter of time before results followed.

Every top team has to grind results and play jihadball from time to time but the truly top teams have that as the exception not the norm and when they do hit a rough patch they eventually get back to dominating teams and playing more progressively.

Judging only in terms of results and ignoring the manner of wins can ignore all the tell tale signs that results will soon dry out
 
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