Antonio Conte (163 Viewers)

How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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Conte is gonna build a helluva team in Chelsea if given right players. We will beat them in CL 2017/2018 finals though.
Not necessarily. Conte's proven skill is to set up a squad that is short on talent in an ultra disciplined tactical system, and imbue the squad with an incredible fighting spirit. I would trust him to turn a 2011 Juve or a current Azzuri or an Inter or Milan squad level into proper teams that fight till the end. I also doubt any other coach (apart from Simeone maybe) to be able to lift up an average squad to a very high level. Pep can't do it and Enrique can't do it either.

However, there is no guarantee that if you give Conte Pep's or Enrique's squad, he would do better than them just because he could do more with a poor squad than they can. Pep and Enrique's ideas only work when they have a very high class of players performing them. They have brilliant systems but these systems require exceptional players for it to work, otherwise we see something like Enrique's roma where the possession football was crap, the attack was crap and the defense was crap. Give them Barca or Bayern's squad though and they will get them performing much better than any Mourinho team of equal squad quality.

So far we know that Conte is a master at getting mediocre squads to prosper significantly but we have never seen him coaching world class squads. He won't necessarily do better than Pep would if the squad is world class even though Conte would definitely do better than Pep with mediocre squads. When Juve upgraded the attack with Tevez and Llorente and added signings like Asamoah, we improved but ever so slightly. We saw allegri take the same squad farther by loosening up some of that discipline and allowing Tevez some freedom. Conte's last season with us might have been just a blip and he may have taken Juve farther the season after, all I am saying is that we havent seen Conte with a worldclass squad yet to know whether his best ideas are better than Enrique's or not.

Pep and Enrique do exceptionally great with great squads and do terrible with mediocre ones. Conte does very good with mediocre squads but can he do exceptionally great with a great squad? or would his disciplined system restrict the truly world class players? Afterall there would be very little weaknesses that need to be covered by heavy disciplining and there would be a lot of creativity that is lost by over-disciplining world class talents. Is his system heavily disciplined because he always had many holes in his squads, or is his system that disciplined even if he was coaching Madrid or barca?

My prediction is that he will discipline Chelsea and improve them significantly perhaps enough to even win the EPL and gradually assemble an absolutely world class squad over the next couple of years. At that point though, his heavy discipline system will restrict the qualities of the truly world class players that Chelsea will buy in future seasons.

Also Pep will struggle because City's players are not good enough to learn his complex system quickly. They should give him a Bayern like squad if they want City to be a powerhorse.
 

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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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he did ge screwed. not having de rossi and candreva.

marchisio and verratti injuries.

but let's be real, calling up sturaro ahead of pirlo and no giovinco but zaza? whhhuuuuutttt
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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Azzurri attack looks like shit, if only icardi didnt play for albiceleste
I think it was the system, even if Conte had Icardi, he would still apply the tactics that Conte wants and it was obvious with Pelle.

I think Pelle was great apart from the Penalty of course, but the way he controlled the balled, gave his team mates space to breathe and his one touch pass + scoring twice, I think he did well and I really didn't expect him to be this good.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
51,816
More like going out in the group stages again
with 3 teams progressing? no way

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Because mls sucks balls and any pro who chooses to go there basically gives up on his career and will find it very hard to be taken seriously, this is also a good occasion to tell that mls journo dude to get stuffed
i agree with Conte about his MLS comments and i love how butthurt that guy was because of them. but i cant help but feel it would still be good to have a Pirlo vs Germany, if nothing else, to put him on in 120th minute to take a penalty. 6 strikers was too much anyway, could have done with 5, but with an additional midfielder instead, if not Pirlo then atleast Jorginho or even Montolivo
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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with 3 teams progressing? no way

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i agree with Conte about his MLS comments and i love how butthurt that guy was because of them. but i cant help but feel it would still be good to have a Pirlo vs Germany, if nothing else, to put him on in 120th minute to take a penalty. 6 strikers was too much anyway, could have done with 5, but with an additional midfielder instead, if not Pirlo then atleast Jorginho or even Montolivo
Pirlo will not want to go as a spectator, also we dont know the real reason why jorginho wasn't called, as for montolivo lol
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
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with 3 teams progressing? no way

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i agree with Conte about his MLS comments and i love how butthurt that guy was because of them. but i cant help but feel it would still be good to have a Pirlo vs Germany, if nothing else, to put him on in 120th minute to take a penalty. 6 strikers was too much anyway, could have done with 5, but with an additional midfielder instead, if not Pirlo then atleast Jorginho or even Montolivo
Prandelli would not have beaten Belgium or Sweden with this team

fuck montolivo, useless shite, his injuries were a blessing in disguise for Italy
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Prandelli would not have beaten Belgium or Sweden with this team

fuck montolivo, useless shite, his injuries were a blessing in disguise for Italy
Sweden is crap, if i was coaching Italy, we would have won. hed get a draw atleast in the remaining 2 games and that would be enough. in fact, hed probably go further than Conte btw, but not because hes a better coach or anything, but since he would likely finish 2nd with some 4-5 points in the group and play Hungary, Wales and Portugal on the route to the final
 

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