Antonio Conte (81 Viewers)

How would you rate Conte's (dis)appointment?

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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Well I wouldn't. The team was on a great run, they were full of confidence and Germany played exactly in our hands with changing the formation before the game. The game was there to win, especially after the pk goal, he had 3 subs going into the last 30 minutes + extratime with superior offensive players on the bench who are deadly on the counter yet he waited too long to act.
Ma daiiii :D it's a team of scrubs bar the defense
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Conte was the best coach, motivator and ball kicker in this tournament, and its not even close.

Belgium, Spain, and one penaltykick away from germany, with by far and away the worst italian midfield and frontline in history.
By motivating these midgets to play far above their level, to have them execute his tactical plan with mesmering perfecting which drew admiration worldwide, to get results.


How on earth can a coach get so very much, from such small amount of talent ?


Conte can. I've seen the Azzurri in competitions from 1998 till today, and this was as good as Lippi. And it didnt need a calciopoli scandal to unite and motivate them, no that was also, all Conte.



Thanks coach. Thanks for giving me a reason to actually watch this tournament and be actively supporting in it.


Best of luck at chelsea.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Ma daiiii :D it's a team of scrubs bar the defense
Im not even blaming him for the tactics, just the subs were terrible. What the hell did he take EL Shaarawy for if he isnt even gonna use him? + im so mad Gigi didnt win this, so i have to direct my anger somewhere. Another thing I blamed him for all along, and it now backfired, is not finishing 2nd in the group. Thats all
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Well I wouldn't. The team was on a great run, they were full of confidence and Germany played exactly in our hands with changing the formation before the game. The game was there to win, especially after the pk goal, he had 3 subs going into the last 30 minutes + extratime with superior offensive players on the bench who are deadly on the counter yet he waited too long to act.
The reason why you think his subs would have made a difference is that you have adapted your perceptions of Italian squad's mediocrity to the level they reached in this tournament. Apart from Buffon and the three defenders, the rest could be only another Poland minus Lewa, or Wales minus Bale, and you wouldn't blame such a team for putting up a fight against Germany and increasing their chances of winning to 50% (penalty kicks).

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Oh do I? Because last time I checked I'm not gloating when someone loses. Something I see every fucking time on this forum, e.g. messi. But yeah, I'm the bitter one. Pathetic.
I'm eternally bitter with Messi and Barca's success, true story, but that doesn't keep me from reading others' comments correctly.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Your comment was that you like Conte better now because of his success with Italy due to his tactical genius.

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zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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The reason why you think his subs would have made a difference is that you have adapted your perceptions of Italian squad's mediocrity to the level they reached in this tournament. Apart from Buffon and the three defenders, the rest could be only another Poland minus Lewa, or Wales minus Bale, and you wouldn't blame such a team for putting up a fight against Germany and increasing their chances of winning to 50% (penalty kicks).

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I'm eternally bitter with Messi and Barca's success, true story, but that doesn't keep me from reading others' comments correctly.
Nope thats not it. Its the natural thing to do when half your team is tired and you defend mostly, to put in players that could change the game on the counter. He had such players on the bench, but decided not to use them
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Nope thats not it. Its the natural thing to do when half your team is tired and you defend mostly, to put in players that could change the game on the counter. He had such players on the bench, but decided not to use them
He subbed florenzi for darmian.

Candreva and DDR were out


He needed Pelle




Literally the only sub would be Insigne for Eder. but eder was playing decent to good
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Your comment was that you like Conte better now because of his success with Italy due to his tactical genius.

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I said I disliked him less. Learn to read :kiss:

The reason I brought up bitterness is that I can't understand your reaction to my comment without even having read it, so it could be due to our earlier discussion about Belgium. And believe me, I wish I could have liked your national team because a bunch of my fav people here are Belgian but I genuinely think your team was overrated. I never even wanted to rub it, was just stating what i was thinking.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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I judge him by the results, could have easily subbed put eder too soon and lost the game in regulation, that's the problem with Hindsight you only choose the scenario that fits your narrative
so when i praise conte for his tactical choices against belgium, spain and germany, you're fine with that. when i don't exactly praise him for having subbed out éder too late (which i most probably did in the live thread, too), it's a hindsight that fits my narrative. wow. tell me now, what's my narrative exactly? is life supposed to be black and white in this thread?

btw results aren't everything. they are out, a quarterfinal exit might be considered as a failure by some, but italy still had a brilliant tournament.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,329
I said I disliked him less. Learn to read :kiss:

The reason I brought up bitterness is that I can't understand your reaction to my comment without even having read it, so it could be due to our earlier discussion about Belgium. And believe me, I wish I could have liked your national team because a bunch of my fav people here are Belgian but I genuinely think your team was overrated. I never even wanted to rub it, was just stating what i was thinking.
Disliking someone less is the same as liking someone more. Don't bullshit me.

Believe it or not, but it wasn't about Belgium. You're still wrong about that btw and I get the impression you just don't know our team that well, but it doesn't matter.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
He subbed florenzi for darmian.

Candreva and DDR were out


He needed Pelle




Literally the only sub would be Insigne for Eder. but eder was playing decent to good
Eder should have gone off much earlier and he wasn't that good really. Couldnt control the ball often and this is supposed to be their SS. El Shaarawy could have also been put on instead of De Sciglio, they needed someone to carry the ball out after defending successfully. I called for a 3421 before the game, i think that would have worked better against this Germany team
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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so when i praise conte for his tactical choices against belgium, spain and germany, you're fine with that. when i don't exactly praise him for having subbed out éder too late (which i most probably did in the live thread, too), it's a hindsight that fits my narrative. wow. tell me now, what's my narrative exactly? is life supposed to be black and white in this thread?

btw results aren't everything. they are out, a quarterfinal exit might be considered as a failure by some, but italy still had a brilliant tournament.
I meant your in general not specifically you, and yes or threads are black and white ;)
 
Nov 1, 2002
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Conte was the best coach, motivator and ball kicker in this tournament, and its not even close.

Belgium, Spain, and one penaltykick away from germany, with by far and away the worst italian midfield and frontline in history.
By motivating these midgets to play far above their level, to have them execute his tactical plan with mesmering perfecting which drew admiration worldwide, to get results.


How on earth can a coach get so very much, from such small amount of talent ?


Conte can. I've seen the Azzurri in competitions from 1998 till today, and this was as good as Lippi. And it didnt need a calciopoli scandal to unite and motivate them, no that was also, all Conte.



Thanks coach. Thanks for giving me a reason to actually watch this tournament and be actively supporting in it.


Best of luck at chelsea.
can't say it better, for me it's the most convincing italy side I've seen....even the world cup winners of 2006 had some players hugely underperformed like Totti, Toni, Camoranesi...

Conte made average players a serious threat to who ever they played against.

he should be proud. italy should be proud of this tournament's performance.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Eder should have gone off much earlier and he wasn't that good really. Couldnt control the ball often and this is supposed to be their SS. El Shaarawy could have also been put on instead of De Sciglio, they needed someone to carry the ball out after defending successfully. I called for a 3421 before the game, i think that would have worked better against this Germany team
Germans would have blasted trough a 3421. SES would have seen draxler giving an assist.


But i also wanted the eder sub sooner. But Conte prefers to wait with it cause of the automatisms between pelle and him. I can accept that.
 

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