Antonio Conte (83 Viewers)

[Klin]

He's has been through a lot


Lately

 

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[KB824]

Juve don't get to this point without his contributions the previous three seasons. That cannot be denied.

 

[Klin]

Juve don't get to this point without his contributions the previous three seasons. That cannot be denied.

True. He was man enough to know he was a limited coach and resigned for the good of the team.

 

[ZoSo]

Juve don't get to this point without his contributions the previous three seasons. That cannot be denied.

wrong, according to some he is nothing and should not be respected or remembered at all

 

[KB824]

True. He was man enough to know he was a limited coach and resigned for the good of the team.

I wouldn't say he is limited, I would say that he is resistant to change, which I don't know if it can be considered limited or not. Stubborn? Oh Definitely.

What I am curious about is if he really did leave in part because of the transfer strategy, then I have to slightly question his player evaluation skills, as Pereyra, Evra, and Morata have been absolutely instrumental in this club still featuring on all three competitions this late in the season.

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wrong, according to some he is nothing and should not be respected or remembered at all

Yes, but according to others, he was the ONLY reason why Juve were successful.


This current club proves without a shadow of a doubt that was never the case

 

[ZoSo]

This current club proves without a shadow of a doubt that was never the case

Maybe so, but imagine Allegri 11-12 instead of Conte

 

[KB824]

Maybe so, but imagine Allegri 11-12 instead of Conte

Well, Allegri had just won the Scudetto the previous year, so yeah, just imagine.


If Allegri and Conte were both available prior to 11-12, I can guarantee that most people here would have wanted Allegri


He would have been the overwhelming choice, considering where both coaches were at that point in their careers

 

[Salvo]

Well, Allegri had just won the Scudetto the previous year, so yeah, just imagine.


If Allegri and Conte were both available prior to 11-12, I can guarantee that most people here would have wanted Allegri


He would have been the overwhelming choice, considering where both coaches were at that point in their careers

But allegri wouldn't have done what conte did. He was exactly what we needed at that time. Legend.

 

[KB824]

But allegri wouldn't have done what conte did. He was exactly what we needed at that time. Legend.

You don't know that for sure.


All I am saying is that if there was a choice between the two managers, and if you look at what their CV was UP UNTIL THAT TIME, there is no way you could justify picking Conte over Allegri.

 

[Ocelot]

The thread title

And yeah, Allegri has done a fucking brilliant job here, and I love how he seems to be as a person (much more than Conte tbh), but I don't think anyone can seriously argue that he'd achieved the same as Conte did in 2012. He's just not that type of coach.

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You don't know that for sure.


All I am saying is that if there was a choice between the two managers, and if you look at what their CV was UP UNTIL THAT TIME, there is no way you could justify picking Conte over Allegri.

Yeah, but I don't see the point of this argument tbh.

I mean in 2001, would you rather have signed a random Argentinian 14 year old named Messi or Salas?

 

[Salvo]

You don't know that for sure.


All I am saying is that if there was a choice between the two managers, and if you look at what their CV was UP UNTIL THAT TIME, there is no way you could justify picking Conte over Allegri.

Definitely. Just my opinion.

 

[ZoSo]

Well, Allegri had just won the Scudetto the previous year, so yeah, just imagine.


If Allegri and Conte were both available prior to 11-12, I can guarantee that most people here would have wanted Allegri


He would have been the overwhelming choice, considering where both coaches were at that point in their careers

Yet Conte beat him with that same squad (bar Pirlo) that won 10-11 scudetto in 11-12 with what was at the time a worse squad overall. Allegri has just improved upon Conte's work, it's not nearly as impressive (not saying he hasn't done a good job) as building such a strong squad after the shambles of 10-11 and earlier.

 

[JuveJay]

As far as I can see both coaches are exactly what we needed at those precise moments.

 

[icemaη]

As far as I can see both coaches are exactly what we needed at those precise moments.

So basically you are saying Marotta ?

 

[KB824]

Yet Conte beat him with that same squad (bar Pirlo) that won 10-11 scudetto in 11-12 with what was at the time a worse squad overall.

That is not the point. You are using the gift of hindsight here.

What I am saying, is that in the summer of 2011 before Conte got hired, if Conte and Allegri were both available, and given both coaches CV at that time, it would have been incredibly difficult to justify hiring Conte over Allegri back then.

Would you have rather had a coach whose claim to fame was getting two clubs to Serie A and quitting on a club in the middle of a season, or a coach who the year previous had been named coach of the year at Cagliari, and had just won a scudetto?


What they did after that is irrelevant, because we are talking about that particular moment in time

 

[JuveJay]

So basically you are saying Marotta ?

Does it even need saying?

 

[icemaη]

That is not the point. You are using the gift of hindsight here.

What I am saying, is that in the summer of 2011 before Conte got hired, if Conte and Allegri were both available, and given both coaches CV at that time, it would have been incredibly difficult to justify hiring Conte over Allegri back then.

Would you have rather had a coach whose claim to fame was getting two clubs to Serie A and quitting on a club in the middle of a season, or a coach who the year previous had been named coach of the year at Cagliari, and had just won a scudetto?


What they did after that is irrelevant, because we are talking about that particular moment in time

If Allegri was available then, there was no way our management would have picked Conte (nor most people here, including myself). Especially trying one of our own in Ferrara and getting burned. People's opinion on Allegri (again, mine included) is mostly based on his second and third season in Milan. At that point in time, we'd have been obviously talking about Cagliari and Milan and how he stepped up to a top club and delivered.

 

[KB824]

If Allegri was available then, there was no way our management would have picked Conte (nor most people here, including myself). Especially trying one of our own in Ferrara and getting burned. People's opinion on Allegri (again, mine included) is mostly based on his second and third season in Milan. At that point in time, we'd have been obviously talking about Cagliari and Milan and how he stepped up to a top club and delivered.

Thank you.


That is exactly my point.


I'm not stating that one is better than the other, nor am I using the benefit of hindsight either.

Its obvious that looking back, Conte was exactly what this club needed, but let's not forget that he did not have a sparkling reputation as a coach prior to coming on board.

 

[icemaη]

Thank you.


That is exactly my point.


I'm not stating that one is better than the other, nor am I using the benefit of hindsight either.

Its obvious that looking back, Conte was exactly what this club needed, but let's not forget that he did not have a sparkling reputation as a coach prior to coming on board.

Nor will he have after he left

 

[ZoSo]

That is not the point. You are using the gift of hindsight here.

What I am saying, is that in the summer of 2011 before Conte got hired, if Conte and Allegri were both available, and given both coaches CV at that time, it would have been incredibly difficult to justify hiring Conte over Allegri back then.

Would you have rather had a coach whose claim to fame was getting two clubs to Serie A and quitting on a club in the middle of a season, or a coach who the year previous had been named coach of the year at Cagliari, and had just won a scudetto?


What they did after that is irrelevant, because we are talking about that particular moment in time

Well that's not really relevant to what I was getting at the first place either...