Antonio Conte (99 Viewers)

[napoleonic]

pepe - matri - vucinic

/4-3-3 discussion forever period.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

Lol, no.

this forum would have gone in to meltdown any ways had Juve gone out of the quarters of the CL this season, complaining about lack of progress etc...

 

[Vialli_92]

we loaned out marrone who was largely used as a CB, so because of this he needed another CB to maintain the 3-5-2 game plan. We were linked with a host of wingers last summer (especially nani) unfortunately it didn't take priority over strengthening the 3-5-2 plan. As i've explained before the management have had a year to plan their market moves for the summer and indications show that a winger is a priority, that already tells me that Conte needs an alternative to the 3-5-2.

Well i think Conte's hand has been forced to play a 4-3-3 next season with the mediocre performances in Europe this season and some what in the league. We have played poorly a fair amount of times in the league but still racked up the wins and this is down to Conte's winning mentality that reflects on the players if u ask me.

Also being linked with with a host of wingers is purely speculation there was no solid reports or moves from the club that suggested we were in for any wingers. Marrone was being played a s a CB imo because there is no way he could have got a game with the competition we have in midfield.

I would settle for a 4-4-2 next season but i think that is doubtful as we have lots of quality CM's and that is our strongest area so we kind of have to play a 3 in midfield. I would like to see Asamoah being moved back to CM as he is not a natural LWB or LB and is being wasted in that position imo.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Well i think Conte's hand has been forced to play a 4-3-3 next season with the mediocre performances in Europe this season and some what in the league. We have played poorly a fair amount of times in the league but still racked up the wins and this is down to Conte's winning mentality that reflects on the players if u ask me.

Also being linked with with a host of wingers is purely speculation there was no solid reports or moves from the club that suggested we were in for any wingers. Marrone was being played a s a CB imo because there is no way he could have got a game with the competition we have in midfield.

I would settle for a 4-4-2 next season but i think that is doubtful as we have lots of quality CM's and that is our strongest area so we kind of have to play a 3 in midfield. I would like to see Asamoah being moved back to CM as he is not a natural LWB or LB and is being wasted in that position imo.

whatever the alternative system is next season I'm sure Conte has identified this as something that needs addressing. It's down to marotta and co to deliver, this is why Conte doesn't want to commit to a new contract till certain guarantees such as this are met.

 

[napoleonic]

Well i think Conte's hand has been forced to play a 4-3-3 next season with the mediocre performances in Europe this season and some what in the league. We have played poorly a fair amount of times in the league but still racked up the wins and this is down to Conte's winning mentality that reflects on the players if u ask me.

LMFAO, why does conte need to wait for next season to make tactical adjustment? especially when he has already done so in 2 matches against real; don't get shocked when he continue with 3-5-2 next season.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

LMFAO, why does conte need to wait for next season to make tactical adjustment? especially when he has already done so in 2 matches against real; don't get shocked when he continue with 3-5-2 next season.

you honestly believe that the unorthodox version of 4-3-3 used against real madrid would have been a viable system to play in this season?

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

On one hand, I feel Conte should take action much, much more quickly in games. He waits far too long to change.
On the other, it's pretty obvious he doesn't have the players to say 'F*ck it, YOLO 4-3-3 time'

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Even if he had given us 20 more minutes we would not have been able to score.

Indeed.

And it was pretty bad how we looked even worse and clueless in attack when they we to down to 10 men.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Far, far too many long shots attempted at times. Also, we commit way too many needless fouls. It just bails the opposition out.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

On one hand, I feel Conte should take action much, much more quickly in games. He waits far too long to change.
On the other, it's pretty obvious he doesn't have the players to say 'F*ck it, YOLO 4-3-3 time'

he tried some weird version of the 4-3-3 yesterday when giovinco came on. if you ask me i thought we were playing worse at that point

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Agreed. We don't have the personel to play 4-3-3 which is why I have absolutely no complaints that we haven't made it our primary formation throughout this season

Vucinic is done, Giovinco is OK but not somebody to be relying on. And Tevez our best striker would've suffered


Now, if/when we buy the right players then people have a point. We SHOULD look to move from this 3-5-2 but clearly it's half up to Conte and half up to who we actually bring in.

 

[Bianconero81]

so what you're saying is that Juve have not been a top team since the 90s?

ok...





mind you i guess real madrid have only just become a top team this season

Are you really that stupid, or just pretending to be? Real Madrid have been a permanent fixture in the CL Semis for how many seasons now?! By top team, I mean consistently perform in Europe (winning the CL every season would be impossible obviously, but for a club of our stature reaching the CL QF on a yearly basis should become a minimum requirement). If we keep failing at the 1st hurdle, or are just happy to partake in the CL every year, then no top players will want to come here, and we won't be able to afford them. Winning a weak Serie A is not progress in my book.

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Badass, you can be very anoying sometimes. No wonder peeps here bully you so much.

Dont be a conte blind fan. UIt doesnt make you more of a juve fan as a whole.

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[Nomuken]

this forum would have gone in to meltdown any ways had Juve gone out of the quarters of the CL this season, complaining about lack of progress etc...

Thought it would've went meltdown when we crashed out of the group stages of CL. Only now when we when were in a Europa league a competition we shouldn't of been in the first place. As playing in Europa league is already a badge of failure for this campaign, suffice to say we will clinch a third Scudetto. I hope next season Conte has full control for transfers and who to keep.

 

[JCK]

Indeed.

And it was pretty bad how we looked even worse and clueless in attack when they we to down to 10 men.

And it's obvious why, we simply don't know how to push for a result in all our power because the players have learned not to risk and that it is more important not to concede than to score.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Are you really that stupid, or just pretending to be? Real Madrid have been a permanent fixture in the CL Semis for how many seasons now?! By top team, I mean consistently perform in Europe (winning the CL every season would be impossible obviously, but for a club of our stature reaching the CL QF on a yearly basis should become a minimum requirement). If we keep failing at the 1st hurdle, or are just happy to partake in the CL every year, then no top players will want to come here, and we won't be able to afford them. Winning a weak Serie A is not progress in my book.

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we had a little issue of calciopoli and mismanagement from board room level to deal with if you didn't happen to remember! something most if not all major clubs in Europe haven't suffered in recent years. again i don't see how that is Conte's fault. once again the expectations of the 'fans' are beyond unreasonable and you should perhaps take a step back from all this and think about the positives because right now people like yourself are only blinded by the demands of european success. Still i find it incredible how so many people are writing off Conte after 2 campaigns in Europe, now explain to me this - How on earth do you expect to find consistency of Conte's abilities in Europe after 2 seasons? one of which lead to a quarter final spot AND EVEN THEN! the usual suspects went full retard on Conte I have no doubt had Juve reached the quarters of the CL again this year we'd be having this same argument. This stretch of poor European campaigns has run for over 10 years now! and unlike Conte's team the teams we had back then were actually better equipt in terms of quality in the team than it does now to mount a serious charge in Europe. At least Capello's failure was not that of the lack in quality, but we all pretty much agree it was his tactics. Conte is still building, soon enough we will have our time, just not yet

 

[Bianconero81]

When you put it that way, then I am obliged to agree with you. However, we are not a top European team yet. I am not blaming Conte; this shit takes time. However, we were expected to get by Benfica and we failed. That is rather disappointing.

Next season, if we fail to get beyond the group stages of the CL, I'm calling the entire campaign a failure.

 

[IceJuve]

Juve are playing stone age football with no speed and no authority. We've been caught out in Europe one too many times. Even against Napoli in the league you could see how dominated we were against a team playing in an attacking style.
I don't really believe in this side's chances to win any "cup" for that matter if it will keep on playing with 3 CB's and 5 defensive mids. It flusters me greatly that noone on this board has any issue with how incredibly defensive minded this team is. I really don't care if it's called 3-5-2 or whatever. Playing with 8 defensive minded outfield players every game doesn't suit a club that likes to think it isn't provincial. But it does play in a provincial style if you ask me...

 

[LiquidPLP]

Ogbonna, Isla, Asamoah That is 35 million euro + only one of those players plays regularly and thats out of position. Conte could have build a team for a 4-3-3 if he wanted to but he chose 3-5-2 instead. They are Conte's signings not Marotta's. Ogbonna was a stupid purchase it showed he had no intention of playing 4-3-3 this season.

 

[Hust]

And it's obvious why, we simply don't know how to push for a result in all our power because the players have learned not to risk and that it is more important not to concede than to score.

This. Especially the last sentence.

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And Ogbonna was a great buy for anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

[alexjuventino]

Juve are playing stone age football with no speed and no authority. We've been caught out in Europe one too many times. Even against Napoli in the league you could see how dominated we were against a team playing in an attacking style.
I don't really believe in this side's chances to win any "cup" for that matter if it will keep on playing with 3 CB's and 5 defensive mids. It flusters me greatly that noone on this board has any issue with how incredibly defensive minded this team is. I really don't care if it's called 3-5-2 or whatever. Playing with 8 defensive minded outfield players every game doesn't suit a club that likes to think it isn't provincial. But it does play in a provincial style if you ask me...

But the problem is Conte is the one who continued with this stupid formation. So if he continues to insist on this 3-5-2, we can continue to expect Marotta to buy cbs, wingbacks, and cms.

If Conte really wanted to play with a 4-3-3 or another formation than we would have seen purchases in the winger department. This is the biggest reason as to why I don't believe any of those rumors of conte wanting to switch formations, because if it took him this long to realize it than he is just arrogant.

From our 2012/2013 season to our season now our game play has become even more defensive and we concede more goals than the season prior. If we didn't stress the defence as much as we do, then we wouldn't have this problem of not being able to attack. Take our 2011/2012 season and take Romas season now, in both of those teams the attack is was stressed more than the defense and yet they don't concede much goals. We decide to drop back and invite pressure, and its fine if you want to play like that but we don't have pace and we fucking suck balls when it comes to countering. If you are going to sit back and invite pressure and then just grab possession and ball it along the back 3 then what have you achieved? You didn't pressure the other team but instead you got the ball after waiting.

This team not only needs a change in players but the tactics, formation and mentality all have to be changed. If Conte doesn't change anything next season, then he should just go to another team because he seems to be more concerned with the media, learning English, and wanting an experience abroad instead of improving this team.