Andrea Pirlo (89 Viewers)
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Pirlo is a manager you hire when the club is nowhere, its a gamble with no big repercussions if things go wrong. We are the best club in Italy for many years so its not the time for such experiments. I understand Sarri coming in to make us play more attractive football but even though it was unsuccessful we didn't really regress, we all agreed that a better midfield and actual wingers were really what we needed. The Pirlo appointment has taken us back a long way. We need a proven manager to give us a playing style, solidity, the ability to go 10 games with wins, clean sheets, consistent goals - we had a semblance of this last year but all of it is gone now. Giving Pirlo a Pogba or Locatelli won't help us because I've watched our players running around the pitch confused all season, that comes from Pirlo. Take a look at how our players perform over the international period, they are much more disciplined and useful even if they're not being amazing they still look a lot more capable.
Quite obvious that the main problem is the coach. We won the title in the last two seasons with two different coaches and pretty much the same squad, maybe even worse. So clearly, a better coach with this team can win.
On the other hand, we have no evidence to suggest that Prilo can win the title with a better squad. In fact, I'm willing to bet that he can't.
Therefore, our main problem is the coach and it should be our first priority to fix that.
On the other hand, we have no evidence to suggest that Prilo can win the title with a better squad. In fact, I'm willing to bet that he can't.
Therefore, our main problem is the coach and it should be our first priority to fix that.
I think Agnelli needs to make that question in higher level: is it a bigger risk to go into a new season with Fabio & Pavel or with another management team?... IMO they are the cause of the problem so a new coach may hide that for a while but the declining trend that started three seasons ago, it's going to be continue
Pretty much the same squad? Euhm no. We had a fit Chiellini (or at least some parts of the season) and a fully fit Dybala man. That alone is a huge difference and inter wasn't this strong either... It's very very clearly not the main thing but they always get the blame. Even if research shows a switch commonly brings no better results in the long run.
Talking about our improvement after the Porto and Benevento games 
If we didn't improve then how come we have the most created chances and the best defence while we were horribly open on the counter attack in the first part of the season? People forget easily.
I'm not advocating Pirlo to stay. I'm advocating to improve the fucking horrific squad first.
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He wasn't. We also lost quite a few guys. Mandzukic, Higuain, Can, Pjanic, Cancelo, etc. On top of Chiellini and Dybala.
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The fact is managers make a massive difference even if the squad isn’t where it needs to be. Inter do not have a better team than we do player by player - yet they are 10 points ahead and will likely finish further ahead than that.
Conte has significantly improved Inter getting 110% out of their mediocre players. 24 months ago a lot of those players were on their way to the scrap heap, much like ours are now.
As unbalanced as our squad is it doesn’t lack quality. What it lacks is a footballing style, organisation and motivation. That’s the stuff a manager is supposed to build
Conte has significantly improved Inter getting 110% out of their mediocre players. 24 months ago a lot of those players were on their way to the scrap heap, much like ours are now.
As unbalanced as our squad is it doesn’t lack quality. What it lacks is a footballing style, organisation and motivation. That’s the stuff a manager is supposed to build
Yeah, he's the perfect example of the regression of the squad the last few years. Correctly surrounded, he's a decent player. Nothing to sniff about when we're talking Ramsey, Rabiot or Bentancur level players.
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The statistical facts actually say otherwise. And I see Inter as a better team any dya of the week.
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The statistical facts actually say otherwise. And I see Inter as a better team any dya of the week.
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being able to sell emre can for a decent sum was actually one of the better moves tici did lately. defensively he's potentially better than all my mids, but him and juve wasn't working. he's of the same "bosman mercenary, with a high sign-on free" breed as rabiot and ramsey, he wouldn't make or break this team either.
we're missing mandzukic and dybala. cancelo certainly had potential, especially going forward, but he was our worst player vs ajax, and that's quite an achievement as we had rugani starting too.
robee's point stands to a certain degree because this is certainly the most unbalanced squad in the last couple of years. still, we often look like amateurs without the ball, and that's something a decent coach can fix even at spezia. we also have the most prolific attacker of the last decade, an overall well performing morata, one of the best italian attackers in chiesa, and we still have the weakest attack since almost a decade, because we look slow, clueless and predictable. it's debatable whether the coach or the squad is our biggest issue. my bet is on the squad, but the coach should be fixed too if we are serious about winning.
we're missing mandzukic and dybala. cancelo certainly had potential, especially going forward, but he was our worst player vs ajax, and that's quite an achievement as we had rugani starting too.
robee's point stands to a certain degree because this is certainly the most unbalanced squad in the last couple of years. still, we often look like amateurs without the ball, and that's something a decent coach can fix even at spezia. we also have the most prolific attacker of the last decade, an overall well performing morata, one of the best italian attackers in chiesa, and we still have the weakest attack since almost a decade, because we look slow, clueless and predictable. it's debatable whether the coach or the squad is our biggest issue. my bet is on the squad, but the coach should be fixed too if we are serious about winning.
IMO here's a classic case where a coach makes the players (and team) worse than they actually are.
Most of the issues are organizational IMO - we look very vulnerable when defending and at the same time we struggle to control games. We don't pin down teams anymore (only when chasing the result)and the biggest joke to me is moving the ball out of our half under pressure - we hear a lot about the team working on it a lot but there's no progress at all.
Most of the issues are organizational IMO - we look very vulnerable when defending and at the same time we struggle to control games. We don't pin down teams anymore (only when chasing the result)and the biggest joke to me is moving the ball out of our half under pressure - we hear a lot about the team working on it a lot but there's no progress at all.
This. I've taken into consideration the abnormal season, being a rookie coach, the injuries and the things Pirlo has no control over and waited and waited. I was among the last people to give up on him... however I saw a pattern of stupidity which has NOTHING to do with being a rookie..the bolded part there is plain fact. The man is lacking basic sense of man management, basic organisation. Even with years of experience, his ceiling as a coach is not very high, at maximum he is a mid table team coach. He might do better next season but def no basic level sensibilities which rookie or not he should have had.
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Can you show me some statistical facts that state managers don’t make a difference? Just to make this interesting here are a few to prove they do:
Bayern: Kovac to Flick
Juve: Del Neri to Conte
Milan: Gattuso to Pioli
Man United: Sir Alex to everyone else
Liverpool: Rodgers to Klopp
Chelsea: Ranieri to Mourinho
The list is absolutely endless. I’m guessing I’ve misunderstood your post because you surely can’t think managers don’t make a difference
Bayern: Kovac to Flick
Juve: Del Neri to Conte
Milan: Gattuso to Pioli
Man United: Sir Alex to everyone else
Liverpool: Rodgers to Klopp
Chelsea: Ranieri to Mourinho
The list is absolutely endless. I’m guessing I’ve misunderstood your post because you surely can’t think managers don’t make a difference
