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PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Allegri said it pretty well the other day, there are 3 key aspects to managing a football team

1) The tactical work and set up of training
2) The in game management
3) The man management

I suppose we should be reassured to see the board put faith in a manager who has shown a strong inability in all three of these areas.
1) We've seen him do the same training for months ' ball possesion' - Grade E
2) He's over done it, swapping formations, but atleast hes trying and might get lucky some day - Grade C
3) Screams on the headlines, noone takes him serious, apparently talks to players, but players dont listen, atleast he's trying - Grade C
 

DS8_Montero

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Aug 10, 2018
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Tbh I don't think that theories about 2 or 5 games that will be decisive for a coach's career are more solid than Nedved's words. The management already saw dozens of failed games this season, and if they're set to change their minds after 2 successful ones then they're dumb af, which I don't think is the case. They simply don't have a proper replacement yet, so this "giving additional chances" bs is just a smokescreen for their impotence to solve the problem quickly and deliver a solution of completely different level of quality compared to what they have now.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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Tbh I don't think that theories about 2 or 5 games that will be decisive for a coach's career are more solid than Nedved's words. The management already saw dozens of failed games this season, and if they're set to change their minds after 2 successful ones then they're dumb af, which I don't think is the case. They simply don't have a proper replacement yet, so this "giving additional chances" bs is just a smokescreen for their impotence to solve the problem quickly and deliver a solution of completely different level of quality compared to what they have now.
They were stupid enough to appoint an unqualified coach and not have an experienced backroom staff. Along with plenty of other stupid decisions recently.

Common sense would be not to base a decision on 2 games but some decisions that they have made defy logic.
 
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LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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Tbh I don't think that theories about 2 or 5 games that will be decisive for a coach's career are more solid than Nedved's words. The management already saw dozens of failed games this season, and if they're set to change their minds after 2 successful ones then they're dumb af, which I don't think is the case. They simply don't have a proper replacement yet, so this "giving additional chances" bs is just a smokescreen for their impotence to solve the problem quickly and deliver a solution of completely different level of quality compared to what they have now.
If hiring Pirlo wasn't 'dumb af' then I don't know what really is.

We literally gave away scudetto with that move. Who knows if Conte stayed at inda had we not announced Pirlo so early.
 

DS8_Montero

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Aug 10, 2018
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You're right, guys, but to be fair, many people here, on Tuz, didn't see Pirlo's appointment as an obvious disaster as well when it happened last summer. There were a lot of hopes, based on his brilliant football intellect when he used to be a player, him being coached by the greatest managers such as Lippi, Allegri, Ancelotti, etc.

So, even though it was very risky to put him at helm last summer, it still could work. Chances were slim, but the management didn't have money to come up with a better solution, so all in all it looked like something worth trying at the time.

On the other hand, when after many poor games it became apparent that it was a horrible idea, not making any changes became dumb af. So, my point is, to start this experiment last summer and to continue it now are two different things.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
I'm wondering if we would have won the Scudetto this season had Dybala not had those injury issues. I'm thinking yes.
Thats not a given. Dybala has his own issues even on form.

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They were stupid enough to appoint an unqualified coach and not have an experienced backroom staff. Along with plenty of other stupid decisions recently.

Common sense would be not to base a decision on 2 games but some decisions that have made defy logic.
This team has lost the north tbh.

If Agnelli diesnt act now and fix his shit, he will risk much more.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
14,322
I'm wondering if we would have won the Scudetto this season had Dybala not had those injury issues. I'm thinking yes.
I don't think we would have.

We have a fundamental issue with our shape and mentality. The hybrid is a mess, we are disorganised, players don't seem to know their role and we are too open. I'm a big fan of Dybala but he wouldn't solve these issues.
 

Nejc

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May 13, 2006
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So, even though it was very risky to put him at helm last summer, it still could work.
It was a very risky move but we were right to expect more of Pirlo. Results wise we may be within the expectations of having a coach such as Pirlo but the way the team plays at times it looks like the coach is someone that barely even watched football on tv.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
It was a very risky move but we were right to expect more of Pirlo. Results wise we may be within the expectations of having a coach such as Pirlo but the way the team plays at times it looks like the coach is someone that barely even watched football on tv.
Pirlo underestimated royally the coach job

He must be very full of himself to believe he was going to accomplish something with the amount of knowledge he had and the way he coaches. because hisbproblem is not only being a rookie, but also being dumb and stubborn as hell.

The guy simply has no idea. Way out of his depth.

What a fiasco
 

DS8_Montero

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2018
985
Pirlo underestimated royally the coach job

He must be very full of himself to believe he was going to accomplish something with the amount of knowledge he had and the way he coaches. because hisbproblem is not only being a rookie, but also being dumb and stubborn as hell.

The guy simply has no idea. Way out of his depth.

What a fiasco
Out of his depth - absolutely. Full of himself - it seems so. But dumb? I don't think so. Inexperienced and thus not seeing his own mistakes, typical case of a Dunning-Kruger effect? More like this, I believe. If he doesn't give up after this debacle, I think eventually he can achieve something as a manager. But not this time with this Juventus, obviously.

Dumb are his bosses who keep reassuring him that he's doing fine and that he's going to have all the time he needs to implement this "project".
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
7,017
We were leaking goals left and right in the first half of the season. Now we have the best defence in Serie A (with one game in hand). It's not like we haven't changed/improved anything but that seems to be the narrative here.

And although we have been seeing the same dysfunctional shit for 3 season now, we're still blaming the coach... Of course he could do much better, he's a complete novice but he's not the main problem here and unless we start spending in midfield, every other coach we hire is going to have the same problems.
 

Mike-e-y

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Jul 18, 2004
11,188
We were leaking goals left and right in the first half of the season. Now we have the best defence in Serie A (with one game in hand). It's not like we haven't changed/improved anything but that seems to be the narrative here.

And although we have been seeing the same dysfunctional shit for 3 season now, we're still blaming the coach... Of course he could do much better, he's a complete novice but he's not the main problem here and unless we start spending in midfield, every other coach we hire is going to have the same problems.
We obviously need midfield reinforcements but that’s nonsense that every other coach is going to have the same problems as pirlo. There are a number of coaches out there with experience and mentality that could get this shit show playing at a higher level than pirlo.

Pirlo is just a complete novice, some people are naturally talented at management and visionary’s. It’s been proven by this experiment that Pirlo isn’t one of those people, he’s going to have to learn his craft so I’d rather we appointed someone that has already done their apprenticeship - because that is not something that should be done with the Juventus first team squad. He is absolutely the main problem here because he is failing in all aspects of his role.
 

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