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Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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mourinho is the perfect italian non italian coach.

which is why we should stay away

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too many here thinking of managers. if i was agnelli i'd think outside that

i'd take a gamble on an assistant manager for some these managers instead. who's the assistant manager at bayern or inter or athletico. take those guys instead. they know what they are doing and familiar with tactical instructions
Let's just keep Pirlo then, otherwise we'll have two sacked managers on our payroll at the end of next season.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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The coach i liked (Allegri was sacked) , and we wanted new team , so let's give time to Pirlo , our squad ain't good enough let's admit it .
L'Pool waited 3-4 years to have success with Klopp , let's give Prilo time , unless we can sign someone like (Zidane,Pep,Klopp)
The difference is that Klopp had a proven track record, had taken a over a struggling team and improved them.

How do we know Pirlo would improve with more time? How do we know that we wouldn't get worse?

The track record of his career suggests the latter given where we were when he took over and where we are now.

Giving time is only worthwhile if you are confident you have made the correct appointment.
 

Gigiventus

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Mar 3, 2017
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The difference is that Klopp had a proven track record, had taken a over a struggling team and improved them.

How do we know Pirlo would improve with more time? How do we know that we wouldn't get worse?

The track record of his career suggests the latter given where we were when he took over and where we are now.

Giving time is only worthwhile if you are confident you have made the correct appointment.
I think you can argue the opposite as well.

Who would not have struggled being handed the hand that Pirlo got?

Playing every 3 days the entire season, no preseason, first year at the club, rejuvenation of the squad, covid.

The only coach that comes to mind that would surely overcome that in the league is Conte. Pep and Klopp can take time, Zidane has never done this, we saw Allegri have a horrid first half of the season when we shuffled the team in his second(?) Season, etc.

It's not such a straight forward situation.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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I think you can argue the opposite as well.

Who would not have struggled being handed the hand that Pirlo got?

Playing every 3 days the entire season, no preseason, first year at the club, rejuvenation of the squad, covid.

The only coach that comes to mind that would surely overcome that in the league is Conte. Pep and Klopp can take time, Zidane has never done this, we saw Allegri have a horrid first half of the season when we shuffled the team in his second(?) Season, etc.

It's not such a straight forward situation.
I agree he has taken over in very difficult circumstances and would always have had a challenge this year.

My point is what has he shown in his career to suggest that he should be given the faith to turn it around and why do people think he can turn it around?

How do you know if given more time we will not be worse?

He had no track record of showing any success as a manager. Whereas I could see the argument for giving someone like Klopp more time because he has shown he can build a successful team.

We've changed a lot but a lot of that is self inflicted by Pirlo. When Allegri took over from Conte he kept the 3-5-2 and gradually made his changes. Same for Sarri when he took over. Pirlo was naive to try to change everything at once, especially with no preseason.

If we hired a guy off the street would we make the same case that if he gets more time things will improve?

The issue is that we have no idea if Pirlo is going to be a good manager and unfortunately for him his lack of track record has to be considered. Plus what we have seen so far this season, the odd subs, selections, bizarre tactics don't help his case. How do we know he isn't another in a long list of excellent footballers who are not good managers?
 

Albo

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Apr 13, 2009
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The difference is that Klopp had a proven track record, had taken a over a struggling team and improved them.

How do we know Pirlo would improve with more time? How do we know that we wouldn't get worse?

The track record of his career suggests the latter given where we were when he took over and where we are now.

Giving time is only worthwhile if you are confident you have made the correct appointment.
We don't !

But i'm tired of experiments , let's give him another year , i'm sure we won't win CHL next year so why should we rush .
Let's start rebuilding , we must keep : De Ligt,Demiral,MCK,Arthur,Kulu,Chiesa !
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Jose Mourinho? Van Gaal?

Remember how excited everyone got when we thought we were getting Guus Hiddink? Is he still alive?

Don't even mention Inzaghi and Gasperini would need 3+ years to have us paying anything close to Atalanta.

We are fucked.
Mourinho ffs? Great, another defensive dinosaur.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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Can't get over if this peasant had defeated our joke of an opponent porto, our next would be another joke, dortmund, a team with legs wide open like a whore..which any competent rookie coach would beat with our current squad and reserves.
Past that beating peeverpool or psg is very possible if we had just integrated a simple effective system, plug the holes, defend and counter, get the ball to CR/morata..win the fucking thing 1-0 over two legs, even against porto and dortmund if he had to.
But this moron who mistakes himself for a genius, decided to play beautiful football and got us a 4-4 so be sure to thank him those of you who don't like catennacio.

Agnelli seems to be doing too much coke off pirlos tits to even remember catennacio dominated the world.
This shit will hurt a while.

#WINEMAKERGTFO
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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Mourinho ffs? Great, another defensive dinosaur.
Do you want a high line and high tiki approach for Juve? Beautiful modern football approach, a what is the fad right now approach? You don't like to win CL games 1-0 you like to win 3-2? that's a beautiful mentality keep going.

Fun FACT: fads like tiki get figured out and fade like it has but a tight organized system doesn't fade away and to figure it out the opponent has to take chances and change style not the principally organized team.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Do you want a high line and high tiki approach for Juve? Beautiful modern football approach, a what is the fad right now approach? You don't like to win CL games 1-0 you like to win 3-2? that's a beautiful mentality keep going.

Fun FACT: fads like tiki get figured out and fade like it has but a tight organized system doesn't fade away and to figure it out the opponent has to take chances and change style not the principally organized team.
No fuck tici taka it's been found out.

A defensive team hasnt won CL since 2012.

A perfect balance is the dream obviously.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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No fuck tici taka it's been found out.

A defensive team hasnt won CL since 2012.

A perfect balance is the dream obviously.
Maybe they weren't good enough to win since 2012 it doesn't mean the style doesn't work does it?
Dream is dream this is reality, what is an example of your perfect balance team that has won it?
 

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