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[U Picciriddu]

Exactly. How that hell he didn't see how weak that left flank was with CR7-Rambo-Frabotta considering Merda only use that flank to attack. Then Pirlo decided to man mark Lukaku with Chiello cuz he knows how bad Bonbon is in that and Lukaku just started to go to the our right or deep so the space on the left was even wider

What it really shocked me out was he didn't even try to correct that

And the most ugly part is that we saw the same pattern a week ago against Sassuolo. And they were with 10 men. Same side, then a diagonal pass from Traore, now a cross to the second post of Barella. Our defense got caught on both occasions but there was nothing covering our left side. You don’t even have to be a world class manager to adjust to such weaknesses.

 

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[Juliano13]

At this point Pirlo looks about as likely to become a top manager as any random junkie in the crack alley.

 

[_GGB_]

Club needs to show some leadership & balls & bring in Allegri asap..

They took a gamble on Pirlo.. it hasn't worked.. swallow your pride & rectify the issue asap..

 

[DAiDEViL]

Tuz

The level of expectations for someone with zero experience in demanding role lol

I expect him to see what even your average tuzzer can see. But even that's too much it seems.

 

[Juvellino]

I would rather have Ranieri, Prandelli, Di Francesco - any proper manager. I know Pirlo was hired because he was cheap but there are plenty of actual real managers that aren’t expensive.

 

[Snobist]

Tuz

The level of expectations for someone with zero experience in demanding role lol

I have high expectation for biggest team in Italy.

 

[.zero]

I have high expectation for biggest team in Italy.

I don't doubt that

however

 

[Snobist]

I don't doubt that

however

I wanted Juve to succeed with Allegri, Sarri even Pirlo, we've gone from bad to worse.
With Allegri we won domentic double back to back. With Sarri Serie A only. With Pirlo top 4 if we get lucky.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

speaks volumes when Sarri, yes Sarri did the double on those cunts.

 

[juventus4life]

IMO, we need an experienced coach now if we still aim for the Scudetto and do well in CL. It's not a guarantee that coach could accomplish that in such a short period of time. But it's a must because the current coach has failed (every rookies would do the same). This 10th consecutive Scudetto is important (the 11th not so much). The remaining time we have CR7 should not be wasted. And since AA won't fire Pirlo in the first season, the only way to save the season is Pirlo to step down. I'm not even sure Allegri would want to come back. But we need another coach (not Pirlo's fault). If someone says we did well at CL group stage, wait until the team got knocked out embarrassly at a later round, possibly after Porto.

 

[kappa96]

Tuz

The level of expectations for someone with zero experience in demanding role lol

Well your average tuzzer would probably do a better job.
I mean it's not that hard to :
- continue with the 4 3 3 left by Max and Sarri
- play your best and most in form players every night
-ease your new signings in the squad and see if they can dispatch the starters
-only rotate when it's absolutely necessary
And last
- start training a new formation(aka your thesis), in easy to win games, preferably at home and see how your team reacts to the changes. If thing go south revert to 4 3 3 (confort zone)

Now what does Pirlo do?

-starts imidietly with his new formation with no preseason
-gives chances to those that don't deserve them (plays favorites)
- rotates heavily almost every match to the point that he doesn't even know what's his best players in the formation aside for a few ones.
.................

He just doesn't seem very smart.
Real life is not like FM where you plug and play tactics and everything works out just fine.

 

[.zero]

Well your average tuzzer would probably do a better job.
I mean it's not that hard to :
- continue with the 4 3 3 left by Max and Sarri
- play your best and most in form players every night
-ease your new signings in the squad and see if they can dispatch the starters
-only rotate when it's absolutely necessary
And last
- start training a new formation(aka your thesis), in easy to win games, preferably at home and see how your team reacts to the changes. If thing go south revert to 4 3 3 (confort zone)

Now what does Pirlo do?

-starts imidietly with his new formation with no preseason
-gives chances to those that don't deserve them (plays favorites)
- rotates heavily almost every match to the point that he doesn't even know what's his best players in the formation aside for a few ones.
.................

He just doesn't seem very smart.
Real life is not like FM where you plug and play tactics and everything works out just fine.

I suppose my point here is that if you hire an unqualified candidate w/ absolutely zero relevant experience for a role then you should not have any expectations. Even with the basic things that would be elementary to our average tuzzer. I'm not making claims using my expertise from playing FM as the point of reference but I understand your point.

Agnelli knew what he was doing when he appointed him. He had to clean up the mistakes made by his subordinates by firing someone who should've never been hired. Then just like the summer before (2019), the list of available Italian coaching candidates was limited. Having to pay out two active coaching contracts on the books, lack of ticketing revenue, lack of CL stage $, and other commercial $ lapses (due to covid) must have left Agnelli with Pirlo as his only option while having to also have $$ to address the squad. I would find it tough to believe that he and everyone in the club did not accept that as a lost year. A result of a series of mistakes by his subordinates (which ultimately fall at his feet). The management needs to be turned over before hiring another coach. Which btw shouldn't be so rigid as to only have an Italian at the helm. Shouts for Spaletti, Gasp, Mancini, De Zerbi may be incremental improvements but they will not get us to where this club has set fan expectations publicly. Pirlo will be the first many bandages instead of actually going in an removing the infection and letting this entire club full heal.

 

[JuveJay]

Would you sack him as of now? I can't really see a scenario where he gets the sack unless something disastrous happens ala embarrassingly going out against Lyon.

No, because it's even more ridiculous than the scenario we found ourselves in with Sarri. I said to give him time to implement his ideas, but it became obvious that it wasn't going to happen and he would only be here for one season. You feel that the club would begrudgingly accept Pirlo not winning anything if by May the club showed it was going in the right direction.

It was always going to be a gamble, it's something we seem to do a lot of in recent years.

 

[.zero]

No, because it's even more ridiculous than the scenario we found ourselves in with Sarri. I said to give him time to implement his ideas, but it became obvious that it wasn't going to happen and he would only be here for one season. You feel that the club would begrudgingly accept Pirlo not winning anything if by May the club showed it was going in the right direction.

It was always going to be a gamble, it's something we seem to do a lot of in recent years.

Unnecessary gambles in certain cases imo

 

[JuvePerSempre10]

Also look at this screenshot. Isn't Chiesa supposed to be the RWB in this situation, covering Young? Look at our 3 musketeers' positioning as well: Bentancur, Rabiot and Ramsey. Ramsey's should be covering for Frabotta more, and you'd expect Rabiot or Bentancur to be a little more active in the box especially with incoming Vidal.

 

[Elvin]

We need to go to the Bonucci thread. I am sure most of us were sad when he left us in 2017.

I wasnt sad one bit and was 100% certain he will suck balls at Milan.

 

[Alin]

Also look at this screenshot. Isn't Chiesa supposed to be the RWB in this situation, covering Young? Look at our 3 musketeers' positioning as well: Bentancur, Rabiot and Ramsey. Ramsey's should be covering for Frabotta more, and you'd expect Rabiot or Bentancur to be a little more active in the box especially with incoming Vidal.

Chiesa might actually in fact be covering there as per indications to be in the best position to start a counter.

What's however most disturbing is the positioning of all of our CM's practically being caught just ball-watching, not exactly sure but i do think the reason Danillo had to pick up Vidal with Young being alone at the far post is also due to again none of our mid's picking up Vidal's run in the first place and forcing Danillo to cover between two players, mindblowing if that would be how Pirlo had set us up for this particular situation which i doubt is the case on this one and i'd rather say has more to do with none of Rabiot or Bentancur picking up/covering any of the runs from that side.

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Also look at this screenshot. Isn't Chiesa supposed to be the RWB in this situation, covering Young? Look at our 3 musketeers' positioning as well: Bentancur, Rabiot and Ramsey. Ramsey's should be covering for Frabotta more, and you'd expect Rabiot or Bentancur to be a little more active in the box especially with incoming Vidal.

Also , again , Chiesa is not a RWB and neither LWB , he is and has always been playing as an RM/RW and LM/LW, there are similarities between the roles but situations like this one should serve as an good example why they are not exactly the same, Danillo was basically the RCB/RWB yesterday as we actually tend to shift between playing LCB/LWB's & RCB/RWB's on one side to allow a RM/RW and LW/LM on the other or even on the same side sometimes because there's been so many experimentations going on into trying to fit everyone into this 'phylosophy' that who really knows at this point what formation or roles we are really playing, think even some of the players are just as confused as some of the fanbase, but yeah, that's pretty much what's up there.

 

[Boksic]

Chiesa might actually in fact be covering there as per indications to be in the best position to start a counter.

What's however most disturbing is the positioning of all of our CM's practically being caught just ball-watching, not exactly sure but i do think the reason Danillo had to pick up Vidal with Young being alone at the far post is also due to again none of our mid's picking up Vidal's run in the first place and forcing Danillo to cover between two players, mindblowing if that would be how Pirlo had set us up for this particular situation which i doubt is the case on this one and i'd rather say has more to do with none of Rabiot or Bentancur picking up/covering any of the runs from that side.

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Also , again , Chiesa is not a RWB and neither LWB , he is and has always been playing as an RM/RW and LM/LW, there are similarities between the roles but situations like this one should serve as an good example why they are not exactly the same, Danillo was basically the RCB/RWB yesterday as we actually tend to shift between playing LCB/LWB's & RCB/RWB's on one side to allow a RM/RW and LW/LM in Chiesa or Kulusevski to be more offensive with less defensive tasks.

Goes back to the point of Pirlo asking too much from the players in terms of their role and shoehorning people into positions that don't suit them. It was obvious before we signed Chiesa that he isn't suited the the defensive side of RWB.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Also look at this screenshot. Isn't Chiesa supposed to be the RWB in this situation, covering Young? Look at our 3 musketeers' positioning as well: Bentancur, Rabiot and Ramsey. Ramsey's should be covering for Frabotta more, and you'd expect Rabiot or Bentancur to be a little more active in the box especially with incoming Vidal.

I'm blaming bumucci, he cant perform a defensive header to save his life as it is

 

[kappa96]

I suppose my point here is that if you hire an unqualified candidate w/ absolutely zero relevant experience for a role then you should not have any expectations. Even with the basic things that would be elementary to our average tuzzer. I'm not making claims using my expertise from playing FM as the point of reference but I understand your point.

Agnelli knew what he was doing when he appointed him. He had to clean up the mistakes made by his subordinates by firing someone who should've never been hired. Then just like the summer before (2019), the list of available Italian coaching candidates was limited. Having to pay out two active coaching contracts on the books, lack of ticketing revenue, lack of CL stage $, and other commercial $ lapses (due to covid) must have left Agnelli with Pirlo as his only option while having to also have $$ to address the squad. I would find it tough to believe that he and everyone in the club did not accept that as a lost year. A result of a series of mistakes by his subordinates (which ultimately fall at his feet). The management needs to be turned over before hiring another coach. Which btw shouldn't be so rigid as to only have an Italian at the helm. Shouts for Spaletti, Gasp, Mancini, De Zerbi may be incremental improvements but they will not get us to where this club has set fan expectations publicly. Pirlo will be the first many bandages instead of actually going in an removing the infection and letting this entire club full heal.

O sorry, I didn't meant it as an attack.
I mostly agree to what you are saying. Agnelli should have known better, but I think that he never thought Pirlo would be so stubborn(not smart enough) for lack of a better word.
I mean every tuzzer in the live thread called for Mckennie and Kulu to be brought in.
Everyone but Pirlo seems to know that berna is a serie B player by now. He even gives other jabronis a bad name. @Bianconero81 .
The suffering was self evident to anyone except Pirlo it seems.
I think he fooled us all.