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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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Fire his ass now. He can learn his coaching elsewhere.

And fire paratici too now that we are on it. Our midfield consist on freebies, low cost unknown guys and low tier shits like betan.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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Pirlo is not impressed: Inexperience, injuries and ineffective Ronaldo cost Juve

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By James Horncastle Feb 17, 2021

As you can imagine, it takes quite a lot to gain Andrea Pirlo’s approval. His standards were as high as those arcing passes he used to play first-time over some of Europe’s best defences for Alvaro Morata and Stephan Lichtsteiner. So high, that when he was still a Juventus player they thought it might be entertaining to start a series called Pirlo is not impressed, in which the hirsute former playmaker served as an inscrutable judge of talent.

On Wednesday in Porto, Pirlo was not impressed again.
“This wasn’t the game we wanted to play,” the 41-year-old said, shaking his head.
The 2-1 defeat at the Estadio do Dragao was mitigated by Federico Chiesa’s perfectly mishit late away goal. The deadline-day signing — who emulated his father, Enrico, by scoring in the Champions League against Dynamo Kyiv at the start of December — once again provided a silver lining on an otherwise disappointing, though not disastrous, night in northern Portugal. Juventus had finished the group stage on a high. For the second season in a row, they qualified with games to spare and went through as group winners after, arguably, the finest night of Pirlo’s young coaching career, an emphatic 3-0 win over Barcelona at the Nou Camp.

As was the case a year ago, the hope projected onto this team was that the change of coach and style — last season, it was Maurizio Sarri’s patient build-up — was worthwhile as long as the best performances kept coming in Europe. And as was the case a year ago, Juventus did not pick up where they left off when the knockouts came around, even after a favourable draw. Instead, they fell flat and lost the first leg of their last-16 tie for the third season in a row — Atletico Madrid, Lyon and now Porto. The coaches change, the results remain the same but — as with Tolstoy’s unhappy families — each of these games is unhappy in its own way.
“You know, in the Champions League you’re always focused,” the club’s chief football officer Fabio Paratici claimed before kick-off in Porto. “It’s not like we weren’t against Lyon (last season). We played a good game and, by the way, we didn’t deserve to lose.”

Oddly though, the team’s concentration was an issue this time around as Juventus conceded at the beginning of each half. It was especially strange considering the Italian champions are eight points off the top in Serie A (albeit with a game in hand) and could be forgiven for paying even more attention to Europe.
You’d have thought it would have focused their minds. Instead, mental lapses cost the Old Lady dearly.

First, Rodrigo Bentancur’s casual back-pass turned into an assist for Mehdi Taremi and the Iranian was able to score the third-quickest goal ever against Juventus in the Champions League. Then his fellow midfielders neglected to shadow Moussa Marega, who was able to double Porto’s lead just 19 seconds after the interval.

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Porto doubled their lead almost as soon as the second half kicked off (Photo: Octavio Passos – UEFA/UEFA via Getty Images)

Chiesa couldn’t explain it. “I haven’t played a lot of these games,” he admitted. “It’s my first knockout game.” The same was true of Dejan Kulusevski and Weston McKennie. This was the youngest Juventus starting XI in the Champions League since the 1998 final in Amsterdam.

Naivety, however, is not an acceptable explanation. The team still had enough experience in its ranks to put on a better display at the Dragao.
“There are some important absences but that can’t be an excuse because we have a squad of real quality,” said Juventus vice-president Pavel Nedved before kick-off. His former Lazio team-mate, Porto coach Sergio Conceicao, had no problem listing off all the problems Juve could still pose his team. “We knew Adrien Rabiot could be an important player for them (as he proved on Juventus’ goal). Chiesa’s great in one-v-one situations. Cristiano is… Cristiano,” he said. “They’ve got so many strong points.”

All of which is true. But Juventus missed Leonardo Bonucci’s direct, line-breaking passes, Arthur’s tempo-setting, quickstep possession game and the versatile Juan Cuadrado, who already has 13 assists for the season in all competitions and is emerging as the team’s most reliable creator. Without them, Juventus struggled to break Porto down. Credit for that must go to Conceicao and the strategy he devised — which the former Inter Milan winger was only too happy to share, perhaps with a view to working in Serie A at some stage in the future.

“Up until the 70th minute, Juventus created almost nothing,” the 46-year-old explained. “Marega stopped Rabiot. Giorgio Chiellini had problems in the build-up.” Conceicao allowed the Juventus players least comfortable on the ball plenty of time with it at their feet and spent the interim crowding out those he thought could hurt Porto. “We played a great game, albeit one that was by no means spectacular because we had to defend,” Conceicao elaborated. “You need to do that against Juve.”

The game plan meant Cristiano Ronaldo had a quiet night. The five-time Ballon d’Or winner’s slow-ish start to 2021 — he has failed to score in seven of Juventus’ last 10 games — had been justified in terms of him making absolutely sure he was in peak condition for the Champions League’s resumption. Ronaldo had scored all of Juventus’ goals in the knockout stages since his arrival in Turin from Real Madrid two and a half years ago, but not last night. Back home in Portugal, he was on the end of some rough treatment from Mateus Uribe and perhaps should have been awarded a penalty in stoppage time.

It was surprising that referee Carlos del Cerro Grande wasn’t advised to go to the on-field review area and, in the end, that decision wasn’t the only one that hurt Juventus. A harsh booking on former Porto defender Danilo rules him out of the second leg on March 9, making an attritional evening even worse. Juventus lost Bonucci on the eve of the game and then Chiellini after 35 minutes. Matthijs de Ligt cramped up in the final stages and the Dutchman had to grit his teeth just to get through to the final whistle. Morata, Juventus’ top scorer in the Champions League, wasn’t fit enough to start and also hasn’t been the same since he had a bout of flu. “He came on in a time of need,” Pirlo said, “but as soon as the game was over, he had to take a lie down. He fainted.”

The Spaniard’s introduction for the final 20 minutes coincided with Juventus’ best spell of the game. His link-up play and willingness to stretch Porto’s defence with runs in behind helped shift the momentum back their way. Up until then, they had been all too predictable. Juventus’ attack is only the sixth-best in Serie A in terms of goals scored and it’s not the first time they have given the impression of lacking ideas on how to unlock deep defences. Some of that is down to a pedestrian passing game in Arthur’s absence and the likes of McKennie and Kulusevski receiving possession with their back to goal rather than on the turn. In this sense, Paulo Dybala continues to be a big miss and Pirlo hopes he can have the impact of a January signing once he’s fit again.

“When you get the ball and you’re always taking three or four touches, you lose time and they did a good job, particularly in midfield, at getting back and helping out their defenders,” Pirlo observed. “We had to be more lucid in our reading of the game and switch it from one side to side more because they were compact between the lines and there was a lot of space out wide. But the ball movement was too slow. We weren’t quick enough in figuring out certain situations and this was the problem.”
It was a near-repeat of what happened in Saturday’s 1-0 defeat to Napoli when Juventus gifted their opponents a goal and watched them park the bus for the rest of the game. “It was more or less the same,” said left-back Alex Sandro. “We finished the game well and started badly.”

After the Super Cup win against Napoli a month ago, Juventus seemed to be in the zone and they need to rediscover that mindset if they are to reach the final eight from here.
They have turned around bigger deficits at the Allianz Stadium — a Ronaldo hat-trick cancelled out a 2-0 defeat to Atletico in his first season in Italy. But memories of their elimination at the hands of Lyon in August are fresher still.
If Juventus go out at this stage again, Pirlo won’t be the only one unimpressed.
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Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
14,322
Any coach that is brought in will massively disappoint with this squad, I don't care who it is. The midfield is arguably the most important part of the modern game, we do not have one and haven't for years now. For years now, all any opposing team would need to do is press us and they stand a great chance of winning. This has been the story under three different coaches now, and we've faced humiliating losses under them all. You want to fix the real problem? Aim higher.
The midfield is a major issue.

But a coach that knows how to organise a team would make the midfield look far better. We are far too fragile and the gaps are massive when we don't have the ball. We'd still have the same issues with creativity but at least we would be able to not give away so many chances and get the ball back.
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
36,923
Conceicao: “We pressed all the strong points of Juve, including Adrien Rabiot in the middle..through marega"

He summed it up that they wanted to press us high, similar to how other clubs found us out.it was easy to see of course.

What I find interesting is he seems confident enough to stick with the same strategy in the second leg. Porto are known for attacking quality so it might work out well.


"We need to be rigorous defensively and then make the most of any errors. Juve are the ones who need to chase the result, but that doesn’t mean we are going there just to defend, otherwise we will concede eventually."
“If they have Juan Cuadrado, Paulo Dybala and others back, that will give them very different characteristics, but we will study Juve carefully and be prepared.”

Man we so need cuadrado and dybala for the second leg, I hope this time Pirlo does his homework and I have faith he will do every bit of that. He turned it around against Barca and surprised Inter and Milan. There's no bigger game left than the return leg. Do or die.
The frustrating thing is that we always end up requiring a comeback, never get it right from the get go. Thats why so many lost finals.

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Any coach that is brought in will massively disappoint with this squad, I don't care who it is. The midfield is arguably the most important part of the modern game, we do not have one and haven't for years now. For years now, all any opposing team would need to do is press us and they stand a great chance of winning. This has been the story under three different coaches now, and we've faced humiliating losses under them all. You want to fix the real problem? Aim higher.
Not arguably and not just in modern football. Midfield is the most important department, period.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
The midfield is a major issue.

But a coach that knows how to organise a team would make the midfield look far better. We are far too fragile and the gaps are massive when we don't have the ball. We'd still have the same issues with creativity but at least we would be able to not give away so many chances and get the ball back.
agree, everyone here keeps saying midfield is an issue since 2015.

but in 2017 we made the final playing a midfield 2 of khedira and pjanic.

so a coach that can get his tactics right can get midfield to overachieve. hell sarri got rabiot playing some good footie after covid. same rabiot who looks lost under pirlo.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,035
agree, everyone here keeps saying midfield is an issue since 2015.

but in 2017 we made the final playing a midfield 2 of khedira and pjanic.

so a coach that can get his tactics right can get midfield to overachieve. hell sarri got rabiot playing some good footie after covid. same rabiot who looks lost under pirlo.
Tbf there are a whole bunch of players that look lost under Pirlo.

We are heading in the right direction in terms of recruitment atleast for most part. We need a coach who can get the best out of them. This team and this group of players especially the younger ones need and deserve good coaching.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
agree, everyone here keeps saying midfield is an issue since 2015.

but in 2017 we made the final playing a midfield 2 of khedira and pjanic.

so a coach that can get his tactics right can get midfield to overachieve. hell sarri got rabiot playing some good footie after covid. same rabiot who looks lost under pirlo.
We do have midfield problems since 2015, but the guys we have now is better than what we had in 2017-2020. In 2016/17 Pjanič and Khedira had a great half-season between them and we do not have 2 mids of that level anymore, so I'd rate them above our current mid even if Hernanes, Lemina, Rincon, Sturaro were all Montpellier level players.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
We do have midfield problems since 2015, but the guys we have now is better than what we had in 2017-2020. In 2016/17 Pjanič and Khedira had a great half-season between them and we do not have 2 mids of that level anymore, so I'd rate them above our current mid even if Hernanes, Lemina, Rincon, Sturaro were all Montpellier level players.
yeah the backups were terrible. current crop is better on paper, but mentally weak.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
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yeah the backups were terrible. current crop is better on paper, but mentally weak.
And without guidance

To be honest i fear that even if we lose the serie a and we get embarased in CL, pirlo will not get sacked.... It seems he has the agnelli blessing...

Its mindblowing
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
36,923
yeah the backups were terrible. current crop is better on paper, but mentally weak.
And we were dumb enough to play the starters in meaningless Serie A matches instead of resting the shit of everyone like Real did; this archaic Calcio ways are killing us. I mean you've played an entire season, wtf do you need this supposed "match fitness" for?
Ended up with a crippled Pjanic, exhausted Khedira, and mentally distracted Dybala.
 

JuveE46

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2015
1,595
This is what cassano supposedly said about Pirlo and CR.The worst part is the bigmouth is spot on so far.

"I have always said, even though he is a phenomenon and has scored a billion goals, that with Andrea Pirlo's idea of football he could run into difficulties," Cassano said to Christian Vieri on Twitch.

"He scores a goal per game, it's true, but he struggles with Andrea's idea. He's always been a bit selfish, he doesn't give a damn about others scoring goals.

"He's the kind of player that lives to score, not for the game, for the great match. He lives to score and in this moment the situation is getting worse. The years pass for everyone and he is having difficulties.

"The paradox is that Juventus have bought a player who has won five Champions Leagues but has so many difficulties in the Champions League.

"This is because, since [Maurizio] Sarri, Juventus are trying to show a style that is different to its history. It's clear that Pirlo must be judged in four or five years, but Juventus want everything immediately."
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,798
The midfield is a major issue.

But a coach that knows how to organise a team would make the midfield look far better. We are far too fragile and the gaps are massive when we don't have the ball. We'd still have the same issues with creativity but at least we would be able to not give away so many chances and get the ball back.
Let me firstly preface this post by saying I did not see the previous match.

I'm tired of trying to temporarily mask over glaring issues rather than just addressing them. Maybe we would get some better performances, that is until the cracks show and we once again get humiliated. Last match, the Inter match, Sarri vs Lyon, Allegri vs Napoli when we didn't have a shot on goal, the first Atletico match, the Ajax matches, there are no shortage of examples under multiple coaches. The ability to make 3 simple passes in a row and not give the ball away in front of our own box every single damn match isn't down to the coach. That's simple, basic shit that any professional player at this level should be able to do without a second thought. Our squad is just so unbalanced and lacking in quality in key areas, it's time to actually attack the issues themselves.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,469
agree, everyone here keeps saying midfield is an issue since 2015.

but in 2017 we made the final playing a midfield 2 of khedira and pjanic.

so a coach that can get his tactics right can get midfield to overachieve. hell sarri got rabiot playing some good footie after covid. same rabiot who looks lost under pirlo.
We made the final because of allegri's tactical masterclass and ability to set up a team .(Manbro turned AML who practically played as a 3rd cm.
Dani alves's exceptional form and our rock solid defense.
If pirlo was coaching that team we wouldn't have won seria A ,let alone reachi the cl final.
 

kao_ray

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2014
6,568
Allegri was literally the victim of his own success. With a squad full of gaping holes he gave our management the unrealistic perception that our team selection is an inch away from winning a CL. And the big brains of Nedved and Paratici thought that the only reason we are not successful is the lack of attacking attitude. So they decided to get rid of him and the fun began.

What a dumb decision in hindsight.
 

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