Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (81 Viewers)

[Seven]

It's a system that rewards excellence, moreover let the market decide, if people rather watch the portos and beneventos, this experiment will fail.

What excellence? We've been beaten by Lyon and Porto.

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[Seven]

Well, of course it is okay to do so. You can dislike it, and I can to some degree as well. But the big European clubs that drive revenue for football probably look at the organization, professionalism, stability, and revenue generation of North American sports leagues and are quite envious of how well run and smooth it all is. They want that. And I don’t blame them.

That's exactly it. They want an NFL. They want an NBA.

I do not.

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[GordoDeCentral]

What excellence? We've been beaten by Lyon and Porto.

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We have won 9 scudetti in a row, we have attracted the best player in the world, we are a top side in the world whether people like it or not

 

[abstract]

We have won 9 scudetti in a row, we have attracted the best player in the world, we are a top side in the world whether people like it or not

not better than Porto or Lyon tho

 

[Post Ironic]

We've been beaten by Ajax, Lyon and Porto in the last three iterations of the CL, three teams that are not good enough for this new "competitive" competition. I'm not against a reform of European football but I'm against giving automatic spots to teams just based on some arbitrary reason like number of fans. The spots need to be decided based on on the pitch results. If Agnelli and co are worried that one bad season and missing the CL has too much effect on the teams finances, just use a system where teams get points based on their league ranking and use a three year total to decide the qualifiers for example.

Nah. It needs to be set up for teams to plan long term, and to have long term stable finances for it. And in a closed league it’s much easier to do that. It’s also much easier to institute a salary cap, revenue sharing, and other things. As well as ensuring majority of games are actually competitive.

I’m perfectly fine either way. There’s no real reason aside from arbitrary things like “history of the game” and “spirit of it” to be against this, given the far more competitive and stable nature of North American sports leagues. And there’s no real reason to be against a reformed current system if the reforms were carried out properly. Not sure why anyone is having an aneurysm about either path. Seems ridiculous and over the top.

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not better than Porto or Lyon tho

Because of a couple knockout ties? C’mon

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

judging from what ceferin said about him, he must be learning from johhny.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

not better than Porto or Lyon tho

Lol thanks

 

[abstract]

Lol thanks

np

 

[Ronn]

not better than Porto or Lyon tho

Is that why you support Juve and not Porto or Lyon?

 

[il brutto]

Nah. It needs to be set up for teams to plan long term, and to have long term stable finances for it. And in a closed league it’s much easier to do that. It’s also much easier to institute a salary cap, revenue sharing, and other things. As well as ensuring majority of games are actually competitive.

I’m perfectly fine either way. There’s no real reason aside from arbitrary things like “history of the game” and “spirit of it” to be against this, given the far more competitive and stable nature of North American sports leagues. And there’s no real reason to be against a reformed current system if the reforms were carried out properly. Not sure why anyone is having an aneurysm about either path. Seems ridiculous and over the top.

I sadly very much disagree with most of what you just said. The one thing I agree with is the bolded part, but sadly this isn't a properly done reform.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Man this is the speech agnelli needs to make at UEFA hq

 

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[Xperd]

He is 100% right. Can't disagree with him here.

 

[MikeM]

He's full of shit. He doesn't care about fans. He cares about money.

But less full of shit than the FIGC and UEFA.

 

[Cerval]

@lgorTudor he had statistics about gen Z

 

[Xperd]

He's full of shit. He doesn't care about fans. He cares about money.

But less full of shit than the FIGC and UEFA.

Money is obviously the main agenda but his analysis on fan trends is not exactly wrong.

 

[Cerval]

Money is obviously the main agenda but his analysis on fan trends is not exactly wrong.

If football was in this state when i started following, i wouldn't have been a football fan thats for sure

 

[Juventinoo]

everyone use the fans on his side to support his project ....UEFA do too ....but who cares ....WE NEED THE SL ...

 

[Hydde]

Agnelli was chairman of ECA. Probably spent the entire time witnessing the corruption and abuses of UEFA during CL revamp negotiations and realized this ESL was needed to get out from under the thumb of these archaic and crumbling edifices.

To be honest, this was a game of thrones/ Attack on Titan move...

he went inside as teh chairman to see how the shit was going and to understand how to attack UEFA with the Super league, to understand how deep uefa were messing with the money

 

[s4tch]

What excellence? We've been beaten by Lyon and Porto.

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man, never go full solbakken:


juve is 4th on the club rankings, and easily a top10 club by any means. a similar plan is also much bigger than current results should suggest. would you find easier to accept the same idea when we played a cl final? because this fight has been going on since the early '90s.

2 simple points:
- some clubs simply contribute much more to uefa's earnings than the cl price they are competing for. people wanna watch real, city, barca, bayern, psg, milan, and yes, juventus too. you don't reach for the remote control when shakhtar play benfica.
- uefa's distribution system is archaic, deals aren't too good, in the last 3 seasons cl's tv market share is shrinking (i mean less people watch football than 4-5 years ago), the current system hit its ceiling.

solution? fuck the money, fuck the investment, let uefa handle this their own (bad) way?

i hate super league and the creation of any elite. but uefa managed european football very badly. (el is literally a joke, no club takes it seriously.) i have no idea whether this is the right change, but a change had to be made.