Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (79 Viewers)

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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Agnelli, in particular, has been the subject of scorn this weekend. Agnelli has long been seen as a close ally of Ceferin, to the extent that the latter is the godfather of Agnelli’s daughter. Yet this weekend, multiple sources claim Ceferin has been unable to get hold of his friend. One source says: “Ceferin thought Agnelli would stand with him on the breakaway proposal and yesterday he just could not get hold of him, for all his trying.”

A second contact at a leading European club added: “This whole battle now is Ceferin v Agnelli: they are having the most public arm wrestle imaginable.”

Others have been utterly scathing of Agnelli’s approach and some club executives described the Italian as a “snake” for the manner in which he has appeared to double-cross UEFA and the ECA while joining the breakaway. Only last month, he had publicly described the Swiss-style reforms as “beautiful”.

In January, however, he had triggered concern at UEFA after hosting Madrid’s president Perez at La Continassa, the lavish 18th century building that Juventus recently renovated into their new headquarters. The two men spent three hours together and in hindsight, it feels like a seminal moment. This, after all, is Perez’s long-standing vision merging with the highly US-driven ambition of developing a fixed place in elite competitions for American-owned Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United.
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.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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Until now I've tolerated our president's lack of hamsumness and especially that misereable boomerang sprouting above his eyes. It bothers me guyes

That may have been acceptable for Serie A, CL and UEFA but we cannot have an uggo face seated at the founders table of the SL.

How can we beautify our presidente?

cc @Lion
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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This goes against the very core of football. This is not the NFL or the NBA. Football is a global sport in which teams are promoted and demoted. In which Porto or Dortmund can win the Champions League. Big teams protecting their interests by cutting everyone else out and shoving this new format down our throats?

Count me out.

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Yup this is clearly a money move, going toward a plastic future..when was this a good thing? Uefa just might be the lesser of the two evils.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I don't know why I had the feeling that you would have supported the idea. I am surprised at your stand.
How so?

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Football is not a charity, you have no right to money you didn't directly generate.
That's a completely different discussion.

Clubs such as Juventus and Real Madrid have become big because of their national federations and because of the European championships organised by UEFA. Now that they are big and well known, they basically want to close off the market for other teams and generate wealth within their little circle of teams.

That is deeply cynical and not something I can stand behind.
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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How so?

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That's a completely different discussion.

Clubs such as Juventus and Real Madrid have become big because of their national federations and because of the European championships organised by UEFA. Now that they are big and well known, they basically want to close off the market for other teams and generate wealth within their little circle of teams.

That is deeply cynical and not something I can stand behind.
That's like your career. You start off and you know jack shit. Your company accepts you're a nobody and teaches you everything. Then a couple of years later you either move to a bigger company that offers you bigger wages or you start your own company using the knowledge that company gave you.

If it's cynical why do it yourself?
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Yup this is clearly a money move, going toward a plastic future..when was this a good thing? Uefa just might be the lesser of the two evils.
North American professional sports are far less plastic than the actual competitors in European football. Salary caps, salary floors, proper revenue sharing for competitiveness, building teams through the draft, instead of big teams spending hundreds of millions buying up every half-talented player.

Lol at calling closed leagues plastic. UEFA has had every chance to rid itself of corruption and the broken financial system of European football to make it competitive again. Instead they chose greed and corruption and utterly failed.

Even if this doesn’t go through, they could learn a lot from the professionalism of North American sports leagues, because they have zilch.
 
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I think it’s a good idea, but the Super League should be a open competition with promotion/relegation and without some protected status for the founding clubs.

The UEFA/FIFA are some corrupt crooks. Participating in the SL already earns us ~3 times more than winning the CL, imagine how much money ends up in the pockets of those frauds. I genuinely dislike them and don’t trust them one bit, the threats that they would disallow players participating in their shitty WC shows how they’re shitting in their pants.

And to be fair, the groupstage in CL has always been a joke. Nobody is really waiting to play games against minor teams. I don’t want to disrespect them, but it’s the harsh truth.

I rather see us playing more often against the likes of Liverpool, City, Barca etc instead of 2 games against Barca like this year. It’s more entertaining. And of course it’s a money driven decision by those 12 clubs, but in some way I understand it, why the hell would you listen to a corrupt organization like the UEFA/FIFA. The blood on the workers hands in Qatar is still wet ffs.

The saddest part is for the clubs like Ajax, Porto, Benfica and basically every club who are somewhat close to the elite, as they won’t play against big clubs if they don’t qualify for the SL. That why I think it should be a open competition with the risk of relegation for the bigger teams.
 
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I would love to see a 2500-page lawsuit against UEFA and FIFA tomorrow with all the corruption evidence throughout the years, proving the point of why one should not be part of this organization. our stocks stonks, everyone leaves uefa and the world starts turning to an opposite side
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Yep I believe it's pointless to take a stand one way or another because there is hypocrisy on both sides.
Its not just football, all mass sports are becoming more and more business oriented and all the major players involved in their respective sports have become 'sellouts'. This is a politically correct world we live in. Lebron James for example can't speak out against the CCP because that would mean he'll lose his sponsorship money lol.

In the end it comes down to you as a viewer, if you want to continue to involve yourself watching the sport or move on to something different.
Yeah, its ridiculous. Uefa taking some moral high ground.

If these clubs want to create their own market where they will offer only their brand, again there is nothing Uefa can do. It's like any other business, unfortunately. This is what proffessional sport has evolved into and Uefa takes no small part in this evolution. The question whether football fans will become saturated after a while, when every week there will be 10 high profile games and whether it will lose novelty to a point it will diminish its appeal, remains to be seen.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Yeah, its ridiculous. Uefa taking some moral high ground.

If these clubs want to create their own market where they will offer only their brand, again there is nothing Uefa can do. It's like any other business, unfortunately. This is what proffessional sport has evolved into and Uefa takes no small part in this evolution. The question whether football fans will become saturated after a while, when every week there will be 10 high profile games and whether it will lose novelty to a point it will diminish its appeal, remains to be seen.
I don’t see its appeal being diminished. NBA, NFL, NHL popularity grows every year (aside from the Trump era boycotts of right wingers over anthem protests). People always gonna love watching the biggest stars face off with each other
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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That's like your career. You start off and you know jack shit. Your company accepts you're a nobody and teaches you everything. Then a couple of years later you either move to a bigger company that offers you bigger wages or you start your own company using the knowledge that company gave you.

If it's cynical why do it yourself?
That's not true. It's more like you and a few buddies get together and artificially close off the market so no one gets to challenge you.

What you're saying is the opposite.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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I don’t see its appeal being diminished. NBA, NFL, NHL popularity grows every year (aside from the Trump era boycotts of right wingers over anthem protests). People always gonna love watching the biggest stars face off with each other
Won't lie but the 'last dance' docuseries is what got me into NBA albeit as a casual viewer.
 

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