Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (86 Viewers)

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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With Giovanni Agnelli still alive it would have been different.
Slightly romantic view, it's not like Gianni could manipulate the FIGC. Would you really want him to? We are going into Moratti territory there.

Gianni would have helped the club a lot during Farsopoli, but then so would have Andrea if he was in charge then. We just gave up. It's important we now have someone fighting our cause.
 

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Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Slightly romantic view, it's not like Gianni could manipulate the FIGC. Would you really want him to? We are going into Moratti territory there.

Gianni would have helped the club a lot during Farsopoli, but then so would have Andrea if he was in charge then. We just gave up. It's important we now have someone fighting our cause.
Romantic or not but when he died shit hit the fan, so for sure he had much more power and influence.
 

JuveJay

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Yeah, he was obviously more powerful than Andrea by miles. But what I am saying is that when he died there was literally no-one defending the club, they were too interested in protecting relationships.

I wouldn't want an owner who dominates over the football federation.
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Yeah, he was obviously more powerful than Andrea by miles. But what I am saying is that when he died there was literally no-one defending the club, they were too interested in protecting relationships.

I wouldn't want an owner who dominates over the football federation.
I agree and I am very happy we finally have someone like Andrea with us.
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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I do think he's done important things for both the image and stability of the club, and I think speaking out strongly against the injustice Juve has suffered is a big part of that. I think that a lot of people view Juventus more favorably than they did before his arrival, largely because he's helped push for the Calciopoli review (which clearly demonstrated Juventus was unequally punished, and that the FIGC sports tribunal is a complete joke.).

How do you measure it tangibly? Hard to do. Can't give him credit for Bonucci or Pepe getting acquitted, but Agnelli was certainly in their corner. That has benefits for the unity of the squad, you can bet your ass the players appreciate him speaking out and showing support. Exact same thing with Conte now, clearly.

Btw, what kind of benefits are you looking for when the appeal process is still underway? It's not like he can change a corrupt, national institution by snapping his fingers. He's putting a TON of pressure on those engaged in the process, and by bringing considerable attention to this, it does provide the opportunity for others to take up the charge; for instance, the other day I heard Zamparini critiquing the process. Hopefully, down the road, this might even help facilitate some change in the FIGC tribunal process... a bit idyllic maybe, but corrupt governance can be stopped.

I'd much rather he be strong, assertive, and speak his mind, than quietly bend over and take it in the ass. If you're endorsing silence from the primary spokesperson of our club, what do you think that will accomplish?

Other than the perception that we're bending over, and taking one in the brown eye?
well at the moment we are being strong and assertive and still taking it in the ass, so don't see what is there to be so chuffed about.
 

hudick

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Sep 18, 2006
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He knows how to talk the talk, yet I'm not so sure how he knows to walk the walk sometimes. The 3 stars fiasco is an example.
I agree with the first part. He know how to talk and made some good and strong speeches in the past. But it's time to step up and actually do something about it.

About the 3 stars. He did what he could. If the rules don't allow us to have 3 stars, we just can't. Would you rather have 3 stars on the yersey and points deduction + fines through the season?

I think Andrea is by far the best president we can have. It's just a shame he didn't come 2006.
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
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I agree with the first part. He know how to talk and made some good and strong speeches in the past. But it's time to step up and actually do something about it.

About the 3 stars. He did what he could. If the rules don't allow us to have 3 stars, we just can't. Would you rather have 3 stars on the yersey and points deduction + fines through the season?

I think Andrea is by far the best president we can have. It's just a shame he didn't come 2006.
He could've kept his mouth shut and not state something beneath his control.
 

Jem83

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Nov 7, 2005
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Give it a rest people. We are so lucky to have someone passionate about the sporting side of things, as our president. He's a juventino and a huge fan of the club. He has been ever since he was a little kid. Have a look around at the presidents and chairmen of other clubs....

Another thing. I fucking love how he stands by Conte in all of this. Not every president or board would've done that, you know. In fact, in a lot of companies there is a zero-tolerance when it comes to getting official sentences either by the real courts or other types of tribunals. You just get fired on the spot. Agnelli, however, is a huge supporter of Conte, and he'd never let him go even if it meant that Juve's name got dragged down with him.

A sign of a great president, if you ask me. And, oh yeah, 2 years into his reign we became champions..
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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AA should at least be strong enough to defend our team.
What happened to Conte is a proof that he is very weak and so our club is completely defenceless.

After all what happened, we should know better by now.
We were attacked by an unsung enemy, under the belt, it was all a set up, but now we know with whom we are dealing with, we should have find a way to stop them for forever bullying us like that...
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
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Give it a rest people. We are so lucky to have someone passionate about the sporting side of things, as our president. He's a juventino and a huge fan of the club. He has been ever since he was a little kid. Have a look around at the presidents and chairmen of other clubs....

Another thing. I fucking love how he stands by Conte in all of this. Not every president or board would've done that, you know. In fact, in a lot of companies there is a zero-tolerance when it comes to getting official sentences either by the real courts or other types of tribunals. You just get fired on the spot. Agnelli, however, is a huge supporter of Conte, and he'd never let him go even if it meant that Juve's name got dragged down with him.

A sign of a great president, if you ask me. And, oh yeah, 2 years into his reign we became champions..
We're not claiming otherwise, Jem. We're merely pointing out some of his weaknesses which could make him an even better figure at this club without.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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AA should at least be strong enough to defend our team.
What happened to Conte is a proof that he is very weak and so our club is completely defenceless.

After all what happened, we should know better by now.
We were attacked by an unsung enemy, under the belt, it was all a set up, but now we know with whom we are dealing with, we should have find a way to stop them for forever bullying us like that...
:howler:

You can't out power the courts if they don't want you around. Just look around you Cronios, hell you live in a country riddled with corruption just like italy is in. Some make the rules and don't have to follow them while the rest have to follow them and get into trouble even when they do follow them.

What the fuck do you want AA to do?
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Choose your debates better, Jay and Cum.
You mean with whom we debate with?

My post pretty much shot his entire argument down. I read the first line and stopped reading the rest. The was my first and (hopefully) last post to his stupid argument.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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So you are saying that Agnelli should have the authority to overrule the FIGC?
I think its all about projection really. It would be interesting to see how the FiGC would deal with clubs like Inter and Milan, whose owners probably being older have a broader network, stronger contacts and more supposed 'goodwill' within the federation. Like Juve, Andrea is also a soft target because he is a new generation president with a modern approach in comparison to the operative methods of the ancient hierarchies. But that said, there will come a time when he will assume enough authority for the FiGC to think twice before messing with his club. Quite the way Gianni and Umberto did in time. But to answer this question, I'd rather our president have the authority than not. Its like you kill or get killed in the current scenario.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I think its all about projection really. It would be interesting to see how the FiGC would deal with clubs like Inter and Milan, whose owners probably being older have a broader network, stronger contacts and more supposed 'goodwill' within the federation. Like Juve, Andrea is also a soft target because he is a new generation president with a modern approach in comparison to the operative methods of the ancient hierarchies. But that said, there will come a time when he will assume enough authority for the FiGC to think twice before messing with his club. Quite the way Gianni and Umberto did in time. But to answer this question, I'd rather our president have the authority than not. Its like you kill or get killed in the current scenario.
I agree. This is because we aren't ingrained into the Lega and FIGC in the way those clubs are, we're not media-powerful, we are a very big club that operates on the fringes of those things and only benefits financially.

Andrea Agnelli in his current position can do no else. He has been scathing bordering on threatening to the FIGC in both the Calciopoli and Scommessopoli scandals, he has taken legal processes to the nth degree and will again, and he is calling for reform in the structure of the federation.

He is going straight with how we approach these things. Suggesting we do otherwise would be foolish, we should know fully well what would happen if Juventus resorted to underhand means.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Yeah.

You clearly don't know Cronios well.
No no no, I know him well enough.

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AA needs to get support from the other presidents (not MM/SB) and maybe then the FIGC would do something.
 

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