Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (45 Viewers)

[ZoSo]

I think the bottom line here is that considering we are in the middle of July, there was no way Juve were going to be able to hire another coach who is PRESENTLY EMPLOYED to take over the club. Every other club is well into their pre-season as well as their transfer strategy, so there is no way any other team would have given permission to Juve to speak to their coach.

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I don't agree. Agnelli and Marotta know exactly what they are doing. Of course they know there are better coaches out there. They just want a guy who will put absolutely no pressure on their work. A guy who is so frustrating that will low expecations for this season. I believe they want this season to be just a transition, with the less possible amount of pressure, to 2015-2016, which is when they will have a lot of money to completely rebuild the squad the way they want, regardless of the coach.

I'm also convinced Vidal is leaving this summer, Pogba the next.

This is more than just transition, it is beginning of a new phase. Allegri is yes man on 2 year contract, that is very scary to me. Who knows what they will do and where the club is headed. I agree that Vidal is gone, probably why Conte left imo (among other transfer strategy and ambition) and that stinks of bad management and/or no ambition.

lol then I don't see why we discussed that in the first place. I totally agree with you there.

 

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[KB824]

National teams aren't



This is more than just transition, it is beginning of a new phase. Allegri is yes man on 2 year contract, that is very scary to me. Who knows what they will do and where the club is headed. I agree that Vidal is gone, probably why Conte left imo (among other transfer strategy and ambition) and that stinks of bad management and/or no ambition.

No you're right, but he is looking over his national squad to figure out the next round of friendlies to build his Euro 2016 squad, especially considering that it will be in France. So I think we can definitively say that Deschamps had virtually no chance of leaving. The French Federation simply wouldn't have allowed it. He would have had to resign, and why would he want to do that?

 

[PedroFlu]

National teams aren't



This is more than just transition, it is beginning of a new phase. Allegri is yes man on 2 year contract, that is very scary to me. Who knows what they will do and where the club is headed. I agree that Vidal is gone, probably why Conte left imo (among other transfer strategy and ambition) and that stinks of bad management and/or no ambition.

Agnelli and Marotta probably know this group of players and style of play reached its ceilling, it's overused. They want to rebuild, Conte wants to win. They don't want the same thing. Conte is the one to blame for this mess, he should have left before.

Now they got their yes man to freely decide how this rebuild will be, this mercato and the next. Agnelli just wanted to concentrate the power in his hands. I do believe he is well willed and is a smart man, but I'm very worried about the future right now.

 

[pibull1986]

Allegri was given a 2 year contract. Did anyone consider this? Is this the best option?

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Conte had a meeting with them the day before. They probably knew back then. Agnelli is not stupid. He's the one who chose Conte when no one talked about him. He knows exactly what he is doing getting Allegri. He just want to have all power and no pressure from coaches to deal with the rebuilding of the squad the way he wants, through Marotta.

But wudn't they need capable manager to see through this overhaul or change....remember if this fails they are the ones who lose the most....don't they want for their risky move being handled by a safe and capable hands....remember Berlusconi had Sacchi, barca had Guardiola...Any strategy or direction they might have in which the club will take, they will need a capable coach to see it thru....i still think Allegri is here for short term fix (unless of course he surpasses theirs and everyone elses expectation, which won't happen)

 

[ZoSo]

Such as whom, James?


Mancini, Capello, Hiddink? All of them would have required more than a 2 year commitment at a salary far greater than what they were going to pay considering that the coach they hire would be on a temporary basis. And as far as the latter two that I mentioned, there motivations at this point in their lives would be to build a nest egg for themselves.


And unfortunately, they couldn't wait a couple of more days. A team starting pre-season without a coach? That never happens.


I mean, there is no circumstance under the sun and stars that would make me want Allegri over Conte. Even a once month weekend tryst with Allegri's girlfriend wouldn't convince me.


But, let's face it, they had to act quickly.

some names: trapatonni, Rijkaard, eriksson? ... I don't know there are probably more. I really don't think a few days would make a difference to see what's available.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Conte had a meeting with them the day before. They probably knew back then. Agnelli is not stupid. He's the one who chose Conte when no one talked about him. He knows exactly what he is doing getting Allegri. He just want to have all power and no pressure from coaches to deal with the rebuilding of the squad the way he wants, through Marotta.

That's why I said yesterday that I appreciate AA's job but I don't like the modern businessmen-presidents who put their vision ahead of club's values, fans feelings and results. I don't blame him for not willing to spend beyond ability but we could have done that little bit to land Iturbe + Morata and Evra to please Conte even a little. Now Agnelli has taken a huge risk becuase Allegri is not a guarantee of anything. Conte was a guarantee of top 3 finish in Serie A which we have to achieve otherwise you can forget about big money in 15-16.

 

[Raz]

Rijkaard Trapatonni? what the heck... man, go take a shower it seems you're drunk.

 

[pibull1986]

Such as whom, James?


Mancini, Capello, Hiddink? All of them would have required more than a 2 year commitment at a salary far greater than what they were going to pay considering that the coach they hire would be on a temporary basis. And as far as the latter two that I mentioned, there motivations at this point in their lives would be to build a nest egg for themselves.


And unfortunately, they couldn't wait a couple of more days. A team starting pre-season without a coach? That never happens.


I mean, there is no circumstance under the sun and stars that would make me want Allegri over Conte. Even a once month weekend tryst with Allegri's girlfriend wouldn't convince me.


But, let's face it, they had to act quickly.

I don't think he was available....he's the new dutch national coach if i'm not mistaken

 

[JuveJay]

The more names I read out the funnier it gets. We could only get an 'attractive' coach by prising them out of another job with time and money, things we can't afford at this stage. So it was Allegri, Mancini or Spalletti, like it or lump it.

 

[Vlad]

Mancini, Mihajlovic, Guidolin, Spaletti, etc...

Mancini would ask for high salary and longer contract, Spaletti would prolly be expensive one as well, while Guidolin while ago said that he doesnt want to coach big clubs. It seems we were limited in our choices, but considering we are in the mid of July, we needed to act fast, as someone needs to prepare players for the following season and potential transfers need to be made, which btw cant be realized before we actualy know what kind of system, or type of players our potential coach prefers.

 

[ZoSo]

No you're right, but he is looking over his national squad to figure out the next round of friendlies to build his Euro 2016 squad, especially considering that it will be in France. So I think we can definitively say that Deschamps had virtually no chance of leaving. The French Federation simply wouldn't have allowed it. He would have had to resign, and why would he want to do that?

Well I was just using him as a loose example, probably we couldn't get him. but the fact they picked a coach so soon is not good, well at least because it's allegri.

Agnelli and Marotta probably know this group of players and style of play reached its ceilling, it's overused. They want to rebuild, Conte wants to win. They don't want the same thing. Conte is the one to blame for this mess, he should have left before.

Now they got their yes man to freely decide how this rebuild will be, this mercato and the next. Agnelli just wanted to concentrate the power in his hands. I do believe he is well willed and is a smart man, but I'm very worried about the future right now.

I'm not so optimistic on how they will rebuild, with how much money they claim they don't have.

 

[pibull1986]

That's why I said yesterday that I appreciate AA's job but I don't like the modern businessmen-presidents who put their vision ahead of club's values, fans feelings and results. I don't blame him for not willing to spend beyond ability but we could have done that little bit to land Iturbe + Morata and Evra to please Conte even a little. Now Agnelli has taken a huge risk becuase Allegri is not a guarantee of anything. Conte was a guarantee of top 3 finish in Serie A which we have to achieve otherwise you can forget about big money in 15-16.

yeah, i was surprised to see him being the bean counting guy over his emotions; you know given his surname and his family's bond with the club... i guess business school is to blame

 

[PedroFlu]

Well I was just using him as a loose example, probably we couldn't get him. but the fact they picked a coach so soon is not good, well at least because it's allegri.



I'm not so optimistic on how they will rebuild, with how much money they claim they don't have.

I'm definitely not optmistic.

We're in a much much much better position now, but 4 years ago, Marotta/Agnelli spent 18M on Matri, 15M on Quagliarella, 14M on Pepe, 12M on Martinez, and so on. It scares me to know that Marotta will be the main guy who will decide how this team will be built.

 

[ZoSo]

I'm definitely not optmistic.

We're in a much much much better position now, but 4 years ago, Marotta/Agnelli spent 18M on Matri, 15M on Quagliarella, 14M on Pepe, 12M on Martinez, and so on. It scares me to know that Marotta will be the main guy who will decide how this team will be built.

and links to abate, astori, candreva, cerci etc....

 

[KingGale]

I thought Spalletti infinitely preferable to Allegri, but hey, it's not like it's the end of the world. The important thing is not to sell any players and maybe acquire one or two of quality.

 

[vodka]

and links to abate, astori, candreva, cerci etc....

And that makes me wonder. Here at tuz we speak kinda same language, that the mercato and players linked are crap, no better than what we have etc. But is it all over the world this mindset? I mean do the fans think the same way in Italy? Indonesia? Or Russia? Because some friends of mine thinks BonBon is a great defender.. So I assume these abates and astoris would suit some anyway.


And then another question, retorical obviously, why the hell our board likes mediocre players..? Why the president can't step in and tell loud and clear "we have little funds so don't expect any major signings" rather than frustrate all the fans (maybe only all the Tuz ) with no high-profile mentions other than BS from the pink paper...

 

[KB824]

And that makes me wonder. Here at tuz we speak kinda same language, that the mercato and players linked are crap, no better than what we have etc. But is it all over the world this mindset? I mean do the fans think the same way in Italy? Indonesia? Or Russia? Because some friends of mine thinks BonBon is a great defender.. So I assume these abates and astoris would suit some anyway.


And then another question, retorical obviously, why the hell our board likes mediocre players..? Why the president can't step in and tell loud and clear "we have little funds so don't expect any major signings" rather than frustrate all the fans (maybe only all the Tuz ) with no high-profile mentions other than BS from the pink paper...

You need new friends.

 

[Hydde]

but I'm very worried about the future right now.

Im worried about how we will cope with the amount of ageing key players we will have to replace. Not to mention how Allegri will cope with this team.

 

[swag]

Allegri is a temporary solution. Hence a two-year contract. He was one of the key figures under consideration 6 weeks ago.

I'm not looking to him to solve long-term, multi-season issues for the club. And given how the board is holding those controls, I don't think Allegri is playing a part in that anyway.

 

[Hydde]

Allegri is a temporary solution. Hence a two-year contract. He was one of the key figures under consideration 6 weeks ago.

I'm not looking to him to solve long-term, multi-season issues for the club. And given how the board is holding those controls, I don't think Allegri is playing a part in that anyway.

I know...what i fear is he fuking us dearly in his only year with us..... god forbit he doesnt ends it because getting sacked midseason.