And I am sure that Cassano is not Nedved's successor. Also if Almiron and others are used in purchasing Cassano it is far from being considered a big transfer.
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I am not accusing those cheap/free players for their performances.
I did not expected anything better from them. You have to understand that, my criticism is not aimed at those players performances.
They are not in fault when it as asked from them, more than they can possibly deliver.
Nocerino was an ok DM subber, we shouldnt ask him to be a starter at this point and we shouldnt ask him to be a creative MR at any time. That was our mistake, not his!
We shouldnt ask from Tiago, after a season sitting on the bench, doing nothing to cover up defensively for the inabilities of our defenders.
Thats not his role, thats beyond him and it is normal he couldnt adapt to that role.
We should ask from Grygera to support our strikers effectively and do the job of a right winger, when he can barely do his job defensively.
We brought him for nothing, his was supposed to be just a sub. He never had the potential to become a quality starter. It is our fault we expect miracles from him and keep insisting with him as a starter for a second year. We are supposedly building a competitive team, with top class players at every line and yet, we stack up all those positions with mediocre cheap/free material, whilst we invest our limited resources on the positions we already have top quality material as starters and some times, even decent alternatives too.
Thats what i m arguing for the past 3 seasons. I am pleased with the performances of these mediocre players, because i never expected anything more from them.
But i expected from our board to bring others, not so limited players, players with the potential to become a starter in a competitive team.
We dont have the luxury to afford quality subbers atm, we should fill those position with youngsters and cheap free players and we steadily make an addition of a couple of quality starters per season. But we instead buy very expensive subbers and bring cheap/free starters!
Hopefully this will explain my perspective here, i am not arguing performances here, but potential, balance, optimization and vision!
Thats our board's objectives/duties! They need to provide the optimal condition for our team to flourish, PRE-SEASON!!
What happens mid-season is not their jurisdiction, they would only interfere on crisis situations. Thats why the should think ahead, plan carefully and act decisively and with precision!
At this particular moment, their task is too important, because we need to be optimal, in order to recover our calciopoli "injuries". We cannot afford/tolerate mistakes, side steps and experiments.
If their dont feel fit for the job, they ought to quit, we have now the time, prestige and income to replace them with better personnel!!
I did not expected anything better from them. You have to understand that, my criticism is not aimed at those players performances.
They are not in fault when it as asked from them, more than they can possibly deliver.
Nocerino was an ok DM subber, we shouldnt ask him to be a starter at this point and we shouldnt ask him to be a creative MR at any time. That was our mistake, not his!
We shouldnt ask from Tiago, after a season sitting on the bench, doing nothing to cover up defensively for the inabilities of our defenders.
Thats not his role, thats beyond him and it is normal he couldnt adapt to that role.
We should ask from Grygera to support our strikers effectively and do the job of a right winger, when he can barely do his job defensively.
We brought him for nothing, his was supposed to be just a sub. He never had the potential to become a quality starter. It is our fault we expect miracles from him and keep insisting with him as a starter for a second year. We are supposedly building a competitive team, with top class players at every line and yet, we stack up all those positions with mediocre cheap/free material, whilst we invest our limited resources on the positions we already have top quality material as starters and some times, even decent alternatives too.
Thats what i m arguing for the past 3 seasons. I am pleased with the performances of these mediocre players, because i never expected anything more from them.
But i expected from our board to bring others, not so limited players, players with the potential to become a starter in a competitive team.
We dont have the luxury to afford quality subbers atm, we should fill those position with youngsters and cheap free players and we steadily make an addition of a couple of quality starters per season. But we instead buy very expensive subbers and bring cheap/free starters!
Hopefully this will explain my perspective here, i am not arguing performances here, but potential, balance, optimization and vision!
Thats our board's objectives/duties! They need to provide the optimal condition for our team to flourish, PRE-SEASON!!
What happens mid-season is not their jurisdiction, they would only interfere on crisis situations. Thats why the should think ahead, plan carefully and act decisively and with precision!
At this particular moment, their task is too important, because we need to be optimal, in order to recover our calciopoli "injuries". We cannot afford/tolerate mistakes, side steps and experiments.
If their dont feel fit for the job, they ought to quit, we have now the time, prestige and income to replace them with better personnel!!
The squad is very thin after promotion. You cannot seriously think Nocerino and Palladino make good subs. I will compare them to Lucas of Liverpool. Nocerino cannot make a single forward pass, can't tackle well and offers nothing. I do not see why Amauri is not needed. Trezeguet went out for three months and Iaquinta for a substantial period too and we are lucky that we have him. Otherwise we may probably be challenging for the Europa Cup spot instead.
Poulsen is a good buy to me. Although he is a DM like Sissoko, he plays in a very different manner. At 10m, it is a steal for an excellent player who is as good as any of our starting midfielders and there will be less pressure to play him more often as compared to say Alonso, which will provide more chances for the likes of Marchisio and Ekdal to play.
The main problem comes in the wings and I do not fault the management for not upgrading it. Any world-class wingers/fullback easily cost more than 30m which is close to the combined sum paid for Amauri and Poulsen. It is better to wait and source for potential youngsters. The left-back position should actually not be discussed because no one in this forum could actually come out with a possible target.
Poulsen is a good buy to me. Although he is a DM like Sissoko, he plays in a very different manner. At 10m, it is a steal for an excellent player who is as good as any of our starting midfielders and there will be less pressure to play him more often as compared to say Alonso, which will provide more chances for the likes of Marchisio and Ekdal to play.
The main problem comes in the wings and I do not fault the management for not upgrading it. Any world-class wingers/fullback easily cost more than 30m which is close to the combined sum paid for Amauri and Poulsen. It is better to wait and source for potential youngsters. The left-back position should actually not be discussed because no one in this forum could actually come out with a possible target.
Molinaro+Grugera+Marchionni also cant make a single forward pass, can't tackle well and offer nothing, whats your point here?
They are used as starters ffs, dont they actively hurt more our team every single time they are fielded, rather than the rare occasion we would be forced to use our 5 choice on the midfield!!!
The accumulated damage of bad starters is def >> than the occasional damage of some subs. It can be easily calculated by the appearances,
the whole concept behind starters and subs!
Nocerino would marginally hurt our team, only IF 3 of Sissoko, Marchisio, Tiago and Zanetti happened to be injured/suspended at the same. just IF...
Thats a calculated risk, since we cant afford more than one decent sub for every position.
But a mediocre starter should be considered as a token, a handicap we are destined to carry at every single time, even at the best case scenario.
So, you are basically saying that, we should rather play with this handicap, by choice, only to avoid a possible event, that might, or might not force us, to use the same type of handicap, nothing worse than that...
But we could tell for certainty that Molinaro would be our starter,
no IFs here, we could tell with certainty that Zebina will not be available (as usual) and there was a much much higher probability/possibility for Camo (following the latest trend and his condition), not to become available, rather then the 3/4 of our CMs.
Therefore, acquiring one more quality CM/DM was of lesser importance and should not be considered a priority!
Amauri is needed, so as Drogba and Etoo are needed at every team, but dont we need a few decent starters for the rest of our positions to pair them with?? Or should we just ask for them to perform miracles and do everybody else's duty. Those players are supposed to give supremacy by making the difference though a group of players, not for a group of players, no one can do that...football is a teams sport!
At the highest levels of competition, even a small detail can make a huge difference. If we are playing with huge liabilities, our opponents can easily exploit, how can we expect from a lower percentage of quality players to make the difference when fielded against complete squads with no such liabilities???
I would welcome them too, but right AFTER we fix our priorities first and be able to field a full squad of decent players, a complete and balanced squad.
Amauri or Cassano, by default, cannot add so much more to a team, where we have fully fit and available DP, Treze, Iaquinta + Giovinco.
But top class defenders of their calibre (Cassano/Amauri) would add so much more, when compared to our current choices (bar Chiellini)
They would add so much more with certainty, no IFs here.
Amauri would be as effective as his was so far, only IF, Treze was out injured for the majority of the season. Cassano will be more effective, only IF DP deteriorates much and is not going to be fit to start. But a classy reliable defender, with great potential, would upgrade our team a great deal, when called to replace mediocre players like Molinaro, Grygera and limited ones Legro, Mellberg even if they are all fully fit. By default!
The difference of quality would ensure that and our team would benefit from it, because of the added quality percentage of the players fielded.
He would still offer a stand out performance due to their limited potential. See the difference here??
To put it simply 11 reliable quality starters with eleven mediocre subs,
can easily overcome a team with 6 quality starters, 5 mediocre starters, 5 quality subs who can only replace the six quality starters and 6 mediocre subs. Because the second team would field only 6 quality players even at the best case scenario and they are destined to suffer from the shortcoming at every single match day, with certainty!
(By reliable, i mean not injury prone players and players who have missed a whole season for a variety of reasons)
Both in cup type of competitions(cup, CL) and league type of competitions (championship)
Having a greater percentage of quality starters at every match, is a real tactical advantage for the moment and having players with great potential and scattered in all different positions pf the field, thus allowing us to field as many as them as possible at a time, is a great strategical advantage for the future and would help us build a more competitive team at every line more effectively, using that complete/balanced squad, as basis for future plans and additions!
They are used as starters ffs, dont they actively hurt more our team every single time they are fielded, rather than the rare occasion we would be forced to use our 5 choice on the midfield!!!
The accumulated damage of bad starters is def >> than the occasional damage of some subs. It can be easily calculated by the appearances,
the whole concept behind starters and subs!
Nocerino would marginally hurt our team, only IF 3 of Sissoko, Marchisio, Tiago and Zanetti happened to be injured/suspended at the same. just IF...
Thats a calculated risk, since we cant afford more than one decent sub for every position.
But a mediocre starter should be considered as a token, a handicap we are destined to carry at every single time, even at the best case scenario.
So, you are basically saying that, we should rather play with this handicap, by choice, only to avoid a possible event, that might, or might not force us, to use the same type of handicap, nothing worse than that...
But we could tell for certainty that Molinaro would be our starter,
no IFs here, we could tell with certainty that Zebina will not be available (as usual) and there was a much much higher probability/possibility for Camo (following the latest trend and his condition), not to become available, rather then the 3/4 of our CMs.
Therefore, acquiring one more quality CM/DM was of lesser importance and should not be considered a priority!
Amauri is needed, so as Drogba and Etoo are needed at every team, but dont we need a few decent starters for the rest of our positions to pair them with?? Or should we just ask for them to perform miracles and do everybody else's duty. Those players are supposed to give supremacy by making the difference though a group of players, not for a group of players, no one can do that...football is a teams sport!
At the highest levels of competition, even a small detail can make a huge difference. If we are playing with huge liabilities, our opponents can easily exploit, how can we expect from a lower percentage of quality players to make the difference when fielded against complete squads with no such liabilities???
I would welcome them too, but right AFTER we fix our priorities first and be able to field a full squad of decent players, a complete and balanced squad.
Amauri or Cassano, by default, cannot add so much more to a team, where we have fully fit and available DP, Treze, Iaquinta + Giovinco.
But top class defenders of their calibre (Cassano/Amauri) would add so much more, when compared to our current choices (bar Chiellini)
They would add so much more with certainty, no IFs here.
Amauri would be as effective as his was so far, only IF, Treze was out injured for the majority of the season. Cassano will be more effective, only IF DP deteriorates much and is not going to be fit to start. But a classy reliable defender, with great potential, would upgrade our team a great deal, when called to replace mediocre players like Molinaro, Grygera and limited ones Legro, Mellberg even if they are all fully fit. By default!
The difference of quality would ensure that and our team would benefit from it, because of the added quality percentage of the players fielded.
He would still offer a stand out performance due to their limited potential. See the difference here??
To put it simply 11 reliable quality starters with eleven mediocre subs,
can easily overcome a team with 6 quality starters, 5 mediocre starters, 5 quality subs who can only replace the six quality starters and 6 mediocre subs. Because the second team would field only 6 quality players even at the best case scenario and they are destined to suffer from the shortcoming at every single match day, with certainty!
(By reliable, i mean not injury prone players and players who have missed a whole season for a variety of reasons)
Both in cup type of competitions(cup, CL) and league type of competitions (championship)
Having a greater percentage of quality starters at every match, is a real tactical advantage for the moment and having players with great potential and scattered in all different positions pf the field, thus allowing us to field as many as them as possible at a time, is a great strategical advantage for the future and would help us build a more competitive team at every line more effectively, using that complete/balanced squad, as basis for future plans and additions!
I think it depends on the transfer free and if we buy also a Nedved replacement. I don't see one of Cassano, Del Piero, Camoranesi or Silva/Diego wanting to warm the bench so there would be too much brouhaha in the squad IMO and do we want Giovinco on the bench again?
If they can control the situation, good. If they can't...
If they can control the situation, good. If they can't...
If we're going to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 next season we could use him.I know it will be hard for Ranieri to play something like that but it's better than playing 4-4-2 with Marchionni and Sali at your disposal.
His price was always around 15-20mln euros so this is not a surprise.He was a troublemaker but it is a gamble.So far he looked good when he was subbed.
If he's mature (finally) he could be one of our best signings.
I agree we should strengthen our other positions first but he would add a lot.Playing him and Giovinco behind Amauri would be :lick:
His price was always around 15-20mln euros so this is not a surprise.He was a troublemaker but it is a gamble.So far he looked good when he was subbed.
If he's mature (finally) he could be one of our best signings.
I agree we should strengthen our other positions first but he would add a lot.Playing him and Giovinco behind Amauri would be :lick:
Ironically some members here were making jokes last summer about milan buying all those midfielders and ignoring their main problem in defence. It seems that we're doing exactly the same thing, we went for Amauri last season when everyone was crying out load for new defenders and again this summer we're probably buy yet again another attacker (cassano) and ignore once again the defence.....
As overall performance, i do not consider that Molinaro adds more to this team as LB, Grygera as RB and Marchionni as RM, than Nocerino can add as DM.
IMO none of them is Juve material. Moli def cant make a single pass or cross forward, he has great problems of finding our players in a distance greater than 3-4 meters. Marchionni is better than that, but his role has different expectations.
I do not expect from a DM to make great passes, Nocerino was quite a decent player when used as a destroyer and should only be used as a destroyer,
a subber destroyer to be more precise.
If Molinaro or Grygera were used as RMs, as he were used, or as AMFs, they wouldnt be able to cope either. So comparing Noce as RM, to Moli as LB and Grygera as RB,(meaning, their primary positions), is not even remotely fair.
As a DM Noce was better at his duties, than Moli+Grygera were at theirs,
before he lost motivation and had those issues with our management after Sissoko's arrival.
So i do not see his presence as more harmful than Moli's, Grygera's or Marchionni's. To their positions they were more/as useless as he was.
(they have been improved from them due to the immense playing time, that increased teamwork, the lack of pressure from competition and the increased confidence due to the fact that they are considered the backbone of our future team)
But it is harmful enough as it is though, at least for my taste.
But again, i would tolerate his presence as our 5th choice in the midfield instead of Poulsen's, if we were to replace one of those 3 from our starting eleven.
Because those are a handicap to our team, they are holding us back, no matter if our midfield is Sissoko-Nocerino, Nocerino-Tiago, Noce-Marchisio, Marchisio-Tiago, Marchisio-Sissoko and the unlikely Zanetti variants...
Because:
-Sissoko + 3 useless players (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + useless Noce
-Tiago + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + useless Noce
-Marchisio + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + useless Noce
=> 4useless players, is the worst case scenario (only in the event of the simultaneusly injury/suspension of 3/4 of our first choices in the midfield AND the new replacement wingback/winger, brought instead of Poulsen)
actually an extremely unlikely event...
In the rest of the cases:
-Sissoko + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + Marchisio
-Sissoko + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + Tiago
(in case the new replacement is injured/suspended and half of our first CM/DM choices are also suspended/injured
-Sissoko + 2 useless players (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni-one quality replacement) + useless Noce
-Tiago + 2 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni-one quality replacement) + useless Noce
-Marchisio + 2 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni-one quality replacement) + useless Noce
The Zanetti variants and the non/limited injury/suspension variants => only 3 useless players at all times=> a more competitive group for the largest part of the season!!
But why we needed Amauri more that we needed a new defender???
And why needed Amauri and Poulsen more than we needed a defender and a winger???
They were sub both option in places we were already had top class starters, and very good coverage...we had the chance to buy 2 much more needed starters instead!
IMO none of them is Juve material. Moli def cant make a single pass or cross forward, he has great problems of finding our players in a distance greater than 3-4 meters. Marchionni is better than that, but his role has different expectations.
I do not expect from a DM to make great passes, Nocerino was quite a decent player when used as a destroyer and should only be used as a destroyer,
a subber destroyer to be more precise.
If Molinaro or Grygera were used as RMs, as he were used, or as AMFs, they wouldnt be able to cope either. So comparing Noce as RM, to Moli as LB and Grygera as RB,(meaning, their primary positions), is not even remotely fair.
As a DM Noce was better at his duties, than Moli+Grygera were at theirs,
before he lost motivation and had those issues with our management after Sissoko's arrival.
So i do not see his presence as more harmful than Moli's, Grygera's or Marchionni's. To their positions they were more/as useless as he was.
(they have been improved from them due to the immense playing time, that increased teamwork, the lack of pressure from competition and the increased confidence due to the fact that they are considered the backbone of our future team)
But it is harmful enough as it is though, at least for my taste.
But again, i would tolerate his presence as our 5th choice in the midfield instead of Poulsen's, if we were to replace one of those 3 from our starting eleven.
Because those are a handicap to our team, they are holding us back, no matter if our midfield is Sissoko-Nocerino, Nocerino-Tiago, Noce-Marchisio, Marchisio-Tiago, Marchisio-Sissoko and the unlikely Zanetti variants...
Because:
-Sissoko + 3 useless players (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + useless Noce
-Tiago + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + useless Noce
-Marchisio + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + useless Noce
=> 4useless players, is the worst case scenario (only in the event of the simultaneusly injury/suspension of 3/4 of our first choices in the midfield AND the new replacement wingback/winger, brought instead of Poulsen)
actually an extremely unlikely event...
In the rest of the cases:
-Sissoko + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + Marchisio
-Sissoko + 3 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni) + Tiago
(in case the new replacement is injured/suspended and half of our first CM/DM choices are also suspended/injured
-Sissoko + 2 useless players (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni-one quality replacement) + useless Noce
-Tiago + 2 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni-one quality replacement) + useless Noce
-Marchisio + 2 useless (Moli+Grygera+Marchionni-one quality replacement) + useless Noce
The Zanetti variants and the non/limited injury/suspension variants => only 3 useless players at all times=> a more competitive group for the largest part of the season!!
But why we needed Amauri more that we needed a new defender???
And why needed Amauri and Poulsen more than we needed a defender and a winger???
They were sub both option in places we were already had top class starters, and very good coverage...we had the chance to buy 2 much more needed starters instead!
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