What I meant to say that your Amauri argument is a bit weak. Imagine we didn't buy Amauri and Trezeguet got injured, how would our season have turned?
With Zalayeta and Palla, or a more extensive use of Giovinco and Iaquinta.
Some goes for Iaquinta, we should have bought just one between the two of them, not both!
You go on and on about how Cassano's purchase will change the other targets from good players to useless players but first Cassano hasn't been bought yet and second, would you like to end up in a situation where you don't have neither Amauri nor Trezeguet? More than that, no Trezeguet and Amauri with Milan? Because hadn't we got Amauri, Milan would have bought him.
Cassano will be bought, we should have bought just one between Iaquinta and Amauri and someone like Cassano next year, as DP retires.
We cant stop Inter and Milan buying all the talents that are out there, there are too many of them, each year some new talents pop up.
Amauri and DP are two very different players! You can't compare their styles at all.
Even if we were to compare, Amauri is more similar to Trezeguet. He is IMO very prolific. Look how many goals he has scored for us, compared that with the chances we actually make in one game on average.
The numbers of his carrier doesnt show that he is as prolific as Treze and his somewhat withdrawn position on the field also indicates that. Amauri is more like a Zlatan, rather than a Trezequet.
His main attributes are his skills with the ball and his power, not his finishing...
Again Cronos, our board doesn't only conduct transfers, our financial stability was at stake when we went down, our club was basically at risk as we never benefited from a patron. So to be able to come out of serie B and challenge for a scudetto should not go unnoticed. Yes you could say the players were already there and had we some brains we could have won. And I agree there.
Simply, there never was another serie b team, coming back in serie a, with half of its squad made by the previous serie A champions.
There is no point of reference and i find it ridiculous to compare that Juve with other serie b teams, who where in serie b, because of their level of competence.
Our income, prestige, fan base, influence etc are still incomparable to other serie b teams.
But again, the board still deserves credit for stabilizing our financial situation. It didn't take demotion to shake Valencia. So imagine the mess Juve had to go through financially.
We dont have the details on that, we dont know exactly how much money they had available, chances are that have made the same mistakes, as they did, with the rest of their fields of "action". As i dont blame them for that, you cant praise them for that. That might have done pretty well, nearly optimal or they might have wasted enough resources (like 200mil) to buy as back the other half team we had to sell, to sustain the half we kept...
And as I have said before, I can still understand the board's strategy on transfers but very much see our weakness in executing those transfers. Meaning we couldn't get our targets.
This is smth we can criticize without restraints. We know our weakness, we know our strengths. So we can understand our needs/priorities.
We largely know the sums we invested and we have seen the players we bought.
From there, we can make some safe conclusions. As the years pass by and we move forwards and backwards, wasting money on positions that dont help us that much on the field. We can tell with certainty, beyond any doubt, that smth is wrong with our transfer policy. This cannot be denied anymore!
My question is the same as Jack's here. Had we dismissed the Amauri buy last summer, what would be our situation now ? We wouldn't be where we are today as we wouldn't have the firepower upfront with trezi injured and the other striker being who ? palladino ? i don't even want to imagine that. On the other hand as good as Iaquinta he cannot perform throughout the season and the plans for him were always to get downgraded to super sub or a backup striker.
Firepower is not the only thing a team needs. Yes, if we also had Drogba and Etoo, we could have done even better!! But this is not the point here.
The point is our ability to field the maximum numbers of quality players, in order to compete with the most competitive teams out there.
The problem is the percentage of mediocre players, we have to use every weak, in our team. I am not opposed to Iaquinta's or Amauri's transfer individually.
But i am opposed to their timing, to their level of priority and to the fact that we bought both of them and we are planning to get a third forward now too.
The points we lost due to our inferior defense, where bound to be lost by the beginning of the season. It was our choice to lose them, when we didnt chose to upgrade the defense. It was our choice, not to have a better support from our fullbacks, our choices not to be able to field a team without 2 DMs, because of our weak defense fails without their support. Our choice that our defense suffered so much when Chiellini, the only real defender we have was missing. Our choice that our wings couldnt help us at all and our CMs and strikers should do their job.
These were all bound to happen by the beginning of the season.
These were persistent issues that followed us from previous seasons. These were a constant. The fact that Treze will be injured and amauri will get to score more goals than him was NOT! It just happened, it want included in our preparation of the season though. Unless our board knew of his situation and chose to keep him on the bench, instead of selling him, when they had a good offer.
Thats their choice again... At any case, you cannot claim that our managers did well here, because their plan was, to keep on with that weak defense and winger support. And have Treze turned as a sub, despite being fully fit.That would mean that he, or Amauri would score much less goals than they should, if they had Amauri's playing time. Dont confuse a momentary performance with our initial plans. Our manager's job/duty ends when the season starts! From there, they are only spectators, like we are. The choices are already made. And if Zanetti and treze were fully fit, their choices would be on the bench, or they would force some other two starters to stay on the bench. Whilst, in the meantime, our issues on our wings and defense remain unchanged, by choice, even at the best case scenario! This is were the fault lies!
Our players performances are irrelevant to their pre-season planning...
Only CR can be held responsible for that and praised or bashed accordingly...
We needed to get a lot of players two years ago and we couldn't just get quality. We required quantity of players to fill in the gaps, granted some of them failed others did well and especially Vinny. We are still reaping the benefits of that transfer as hes scoring and playing well now. So how is that bad planning?
Again and again, we had already proved by our acquisition, that we could have bought two starters/season at Sissoko's quality. In 3 years time, thats 6 starters, where are they????
The free players, the players we released and our youngsters could provide depth. The depth we acquired gave us no tactical advantage and nothing of it can be used as strategical asset in the future. So, where is the vision?? Where is the five year plan?? I dont ask for titles, i would be pleased if we had a competitive team in the announced time schedule. That would mean 6 starters before our champions start retiring and their replacements acquired, by the time the 5 year plans expired. We ve wasted too much times and resources and we are not even half they way there...:frown:
The discussion about the youngsters is another one. You mentioned marchisio and why did we bring poulsen if we have him. Again you don't throw the kids in the deep end. We got burned with Criscito and Nocerino, we needed to mitigate the risks as we cannot put that much pressure on them. In the end it worked as he proved himself when he was eased up into the team.
The cassano discussion should kept until the day he holds the jersey because these rumors/statements mean nothing to me.
The trend is obvious, fill in the skills gaps that we have in the team now then improve those skills by buying quality players replacing our champions in the process.
They are not the best but we are certainly better than others around us.
In serie B, we have seen those youngsters playing along with world cup winners like equals, just like they do today! We were aware that this particular generation has been particular gifted. We should at least let a space to include them, into our long term plans. Since we had so many problems to fix, we should concentrate to places, we dont have such coverage, instead we chose to undermine their future!
Marchisio for ex was talented and big enough to be considered as a decent sub.
I dont ask him to be thrown on deep waters, as CR was actually forced to do.
But since we were incapable of getting rid of Tiago, Almiron and we still had some decent first choice players at Sissoko and Zanetti, that 4 players for 2 places already and Marchisio would guarantee the necessary added depth. And there was no real reason, def not an urgent, or a high priority need to add Poulsen. If we were adding a high profile, ultra competitive starter, then i understand. If we were adding a creative and very exp midfield, like Alonso, who would change our tactical plans, i would understand. But the acquisition of Poulsen, with the solely purpose of undermining Marchio's role in our team is smth i cannot understand!!
Esp if we consider the lack of similar coverage and even starter choices, in other positions...
Before we start replacing the champions they didnt retire already, shouldnt be wiser, to replace the "non-champions" first who actively drag our team down???
We already upgraded our offensive line twice in two years, none of our champions retired yet, we can bring in some youngsters at any time for added depth and we also already acquired two high class and expensive forwards to replace them when needed. We have both the quality and the depth.
When are we going to start worrying about our broken defense and wings though??
As about Cassano, i ve heard the same excuses when we brought Iaquinta and Amauri. I do have the courage to express my position before the disaster strikes, with aimed criticism and an abundance of arguments against it. So i can tell full credit of it and have the right to bash our managements choices for a full year
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The effects of their choices can determined the maximum capacity of our squads chances for the titles. If they keep us crippled on wings and fullbacks. And we keep suffering there, despite the minor extra upgrade from DP to Cassano,
from the same persistent mistakes, then i would like to see no lame excuses and tolerance to their mistaken choices/priorities.You may wish and expect miracles from Cassano, but i fail to see the significance of his acquisition at this particular moment, i dont expect any kind of miracles from him.
Because he can not deliver so much better than the champions we already have.
On the other hand, a player of his quality, in a position we have less than mediocre starters, would have far more spectacular results with the same effort/performance and without the need to perform miracles.
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