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[acmilan]

And it's a 2018 pick.

If they can manage to trade Brock to another dumb-ass team, while eating only half of the 16 mil, then 8 mil for a 2nd round pick (+ whatever they get for flipping Brock) becomes more manageable of a price-tag.

Now there are rumors that the Browns, thru this Brock BS, are basically looking to turn as much cap-room, which they can;t use anyway, into picks so that they can go and get Garoppolo from the Pats.

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Micah Hyde to the Bills on a very decent deal - 5 years, 30-32 mil deal, 14 guaranteed.

Love the player, not sure why Packers let him go - that defense is now a lot worse than it was last year, and they were bad in 2016.

@Post Ironic

 

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[KB824]

If they can manage to trade Brock to another dumb-ass team, while eating only half of the 16 mil, then 8 mil for a 2nd round pick (+ whatever they get for flipping Brock) becomes more manageable of a price-tag.

Now there are rumors that the Browns, thru this Brock BS, are basically looking to turn as much cap-room, which they can;t use anyway, into picks so that they can go and get Garoppolo from the Pats.

So in other words, they are swallowing bad contracts for high round picks, to then turn around and package said picks to New England? I thought I've heard of everything, but this is a new one to me

 

[acmilan]

Something big is coming ... either a Jimmy G trade or Butler for Cooks trade.

 

[KB824]

Something big is coming ... either a Jimmy G trade of Butler for Cooks trade.

Probably for that #12 pick and a couple of #2's. That is a more than fair deal for a backup. As far as Butler for Cooks, you will be able to tell what happens once we all find out what happens with Logan Ryan. He stays, then Butler's gone.

 

[acmilan]

Probably for that #12 pick and a couple of #2's. That is a more than fair deal for a backup. As far as Butler for Cooks, you will be able to tell what happens once we all find out what happens with Logan Ryan. He stays, then Butler's gone.

If Jimmy is let go, Pats should be targeting a 1st in 2018.

Not sure about the Butler situation - they gave a huge deal to Gilmore, very uncharacteristic for Pats, averaging 13 mil per. How much could Butler be asking for if they haven't been able to reach an agreement. If they are trading him, it basically means they don't think they would be able to keep him beyond 2017.
Have big doubts about Cooks and how they keep him beyond 2018. If they can't extend Butler (free agent after 2017), then trading 1 year of Butler for 2 years of Cooks would make sense.

 

[ALC]

lol I told you bitches we'd get Alshon Jeffery. League better watch the fuck out, we coming for that Lombardi

 

[acmilan]

lol I told you bitches we'd get Alshon Jeffery. League better watch the fuck out, we coming for that Lombardi

bitch, please ... you are getting a WR1-wanna-be, not Tom Brady. Eagles aren't getting out of that div with 'Boys and Giants.

 

[KB824]

If Jimmy is let go, Pats should be targeting a 1st in 2018.

Not sure about the Butler situation - they gave a huge deal to Gilmore, very uncharacteristic for Pats, averaging 13 mil per. How much could Butler be asking for if they haven't been able to reach an agreement. If they are trading him, it basically means they don't think they would be able to keep him beyond 2017.
Have big doubts about Cooks and how they keep him beyond 2018. If they can't extend Butler (free agent after 2017), then trading 1 year of Butler for 2 years of Cooks would make sense.

If the Pats want a 1st in 2018, then Kyle should be calling bill ASAP. Somehow though, I don't think that is what they are looking for.

Edit- By "they", I mean The Patriots

 

[Enron]

If they can manage to trade Brock to another dumb-ass team, while eating only half of the 16 mil, then 8 mil for a 2nd round pick (+ whatever they get for flipping Brock) becomes more manageable of a price-tag.

Now there are rumors that the Browns, thru this Brock BS, are basically looking to turn as much cap-room, which they can;t use anyway, into picks so that they can go and get Garoppolo from the Pats.

Yeah. Browns are trying to do some NBA shit.

 

[acmilan]

If the Pats want a 1st in 2018, then Kyle should be calling bill ASAP. Somehow though, I don't think that is what they are looking for.

Edit- By "they", I mean The Patriots

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[KB824]

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Well, they are dreaming. Absolutely dreaming. We are talking about a 25 year old QB with 60 career snaps playing in the New England Patriots system.

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For a guy who could be a free agent next year.

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At least Matt Cassell played a full season. Jimmy G has no resume at all. Certainly not one that warrants the #1 overall pick. Come on

 

[acmilan]

Well, they are dreaming. Absolutely dreaming. We are talking about a 25 year old QB with 60 career snaps playing in the New England Patriots system.

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For a guy who could be a free agent next year.

No, for a guy who looked f-ing amazing in his first 2 starts this year and also someone the Browns won't have a shot at if he ever reached free agency.

 

[KB824]

No, for a guy who looked f-ing amazing in his first 2 starts this year and also someone the Browns won't have a shot at if he ever reached free agency.

2 starts.

That's it. That is all he has.

No resume at all. But yet he is worth the #1 pick in the draft? Are you for real?

 

[acmilan]

In the end of the day, Pats don't need this trade, Browns do. Patriots would be happy to keep Jimmy G unless some team blows them out of the water.

 

[KB824]

The 49ers REFUSE to trade the #2 pick in the draft for a more established QB, who has played under Kyle Shanahan before, and whom the Coach absolutely adores. They absolutely will not part with it, and they wouldn't part with it BEFORE all the shit hit the fan today with Cousins.

But yet Jimmy G is worth the #1 pick based on two starts against the Cardinals and the Dolphins.

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In the end of the day, Pats don't need this trade, Browns do. Patriots would be happy to keep Jimmy G unless some team blows them out of the water.

Browns don't need this trade either. I've got news for you. They don't. It's not life or death to them because they are still going to suck, still going to be in contention for one of the top QB's coming out next year, who will be 5 years younger than Jimmy G and playing on a rookie contract. And if they somehow are not in the Top 5 to grab one of those guys, then they have ample ammunition to move up in the draft next year.

 

[acmilan]

The 49ers REFUSE to trade the #2 pick in the draft for a more established QB, who has played under Kyle Shanahan before, and whom the Coach absolutely adores. They absolutely will not part with it, and they wouldn't part with it BEFORE all the shit hit the fan today with Cousins.

But yet Jimmy G is worth the #1 pick based on two starts against the Cardinals and the Dolphins.

The 9ers are free to feel about Jimmy G or Cousins how they wish. Only time will show if they were right or not. Sometimes, you go big or go home.

Plus, the only thing Cousins is more established at than JG is being a no-show in big games.

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The 49ers REFUSE to trade the #2 pick in the draft for a more established QB, who has played under Kyle Shanahan before, and whom the Coach absolutely adores. They absolutely will not part with it, and they wouldn't part with it BEFORE all the shit hit the fan today with Cousins.

But yet Jimmy G is worth the #1 pick based on two starts against the Cardinals and the Dolphins.

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Browns don't need this trade either. I've got news for you. They don't. It's not life or death to them because they are still going to suck, still going to be in contention for one of the top QB's coming out next year, who will be 5 years younger than Jimmy G and playing on a rookie contract. And if they somehow are not in the Top 5 to grab one of those guys, then they have ample ammunition to move up in the draft next year.

if they go for it, then they feel they need it. I don;t expect Browns to become contenders or anything, but the allure of success is hard to resist.
How they feel or you feel about this is ultimately irrelevant here - again, Patriots would be perfectly happy to keep Jimmy G unless they get an offer they can't refuse.

 

[KB824]

The 9ers are free to feel about Jimmy G or Cousins how they wish. Only time will show if they were right or not. Sometimes, you go big or go home.

Plus, the only thing Cousins is more established at than JG is being a no-show in big games.

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if they go for it, then they feel they need it. I don;t expect Browns to become contenders or anything, but the allure of success is hard to resist.
How they feel or you feel about this is ultimately irrelevant here - again, Patriots would be perfectly happy to keep Jimmy G unless they get an offer they can't refuse.

Please tell me how Jimmy G is worth the first pick in the draft. I have given several arguments as to why he isn't, yet all you have presented is two games in a 3 year career to somehow justify the Browns trading the #1 pick for him.

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And 1 more thing. How I feel about it is neither more or less irrelevant than how you feel about it.

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And I have repeatedly said that his best situation is to stay where he is. He would take over the reigns of an already well-oiled machine. This would be Aaron Rodgers all over again.

 

[Enron]

He's not. Plus doesn't his contract expire at the end of the season?

 

[acmilan]

Please tell me how Jimmy G is worth the first pick in the draft. I have given several arguments as to why he isn't, yet all you have presented is two games in a 3 year career to somehow justify the Browns trading the #1 pick for him.

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And 1 more thing. How I feel about it is neither more or less irrelevant than how you feel about it.

you are the one letting his opinion/feelings come in the way of reason here, Serge.
How much a player is worth in a trade is ultimately down to how much the other party is willing to give up for him. Patriots are not forcing anybody's hand here - if they think the least Jimmy G can be down the road is a Phillip Rivers-level QB, or better, why would they let him go for less than a block-buster deal.

And in a market where scrubs like Bradford get traded for a 1st + 4th or Goff and Wentz - rookies with 0 min of NFL experience - are worth to teams multiple 1st round picks, why should the Pats want anything less for Jimmy?

 

[ALC]

Jimmy G could be worth a 1st for a very desperate team but he's definitely not worth more than Cousins. They're not even close to being on the same level ffs.