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[Post Ironic]

I never insinuated that Rodgers is a choker of any sort nor did I suggest that Rodgers lack of championships are his own fault. No need to get defensive.

But at the end of the day no one cares about stats. Ask Dan Marino.

I do agree with this. As I said, career-wise it's clearly Brady > Rodgers right now. But Rodgers is the much better QB as far as metrics go in both regular season and playoffs, and if he combines that with a couple more Super Bowl wins (a huge if), there won't really be any arguments for Brady >Rodgers left.

It will be interesting to see how this season plays out. Two best teams in the league are looking like the Pats and the Pack thus far, with the Cardinals and Bengals not so far behind. It'd be pretty cool to see a Rodgers vs Brady Super Bowl...

 

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[.zero]

It was supposed to be a Brady-Rodgers SB last year if GB would've just held on with that lead in the 4th quarter of the NFC Championship game. I still cannot believe that comeback.

I wouldn't mind seeing Brady-Rodgers go at it this year on a neutral field. As a sports fan I feel that I deserve to see such greatness matched up against each other for all the marbles.

 

[Salvo]

Yep. Would be great.

 

[Post Ironic]

It was supposed to be a Brady-Rodgers SB last year if GB would've just held on with that lead in the 4th quarter of the NFC Championship game. I still cannot believe that comeback.

I wouldn't mind seeing Brady-Rodgers go at it this year on a neutral field. As a sports fan I feel that I deserve to see such greatness matched up against each other for all the marbles.

Rodgers was basically a cripple against Seattle last year. That left calf injury made him look pedestrian. Green Bay almost won with Rodgers being a non-factor which was impressive. If Green Bay had won, Rodgers would have been playing with a gimp leg in the SB too.

I'd like to see two healthy powerhouses play a Super Bowl for once. Green Bay-New England, with everyone good to go. That would be exciting.

 

[.zero]

I think we all agree that we would want to see both sides at full strength

 

[ALC]

I do agree with this. As I said, career-wise it's clearly Brady > Rodgers right now. But Rodgers is the much better QB as far as metrics go in both regular season and playoffs, and if he combines that with a couple more Super Bowl wins (a huge if), there won't really be any arguments for Brady >Rodgers left.

It will be interesting to see how this season plays out. Two best teams in the league are looking like the Pats and the Pack thus far, with the Cardinals and Bengals not so far behind. It'd be pretty cool to see a Rodgers vs Brady Super Bowl...

A big part of those metrics is also the fact that Belichick is open to benching Brady if they have a lead. Or he'll run the ball a lot. He plays unpredictable football and you could make the case that Tom's stats suffer for it. But you can't deny he is in the discussion for best of all time and he is also fantastically clutch.

 

[Post Ironic]

A big part of those metrics is also the fact that Belichick is open to benching Brady if they have a lead. Or he'll run the ball a lot. He plays unpredictable football and you could make the case that Tom's stats suffer for it. But you can't deny he is in the discussion for best of all time and he is also fantastically clutch.

This has rarely happened. Belichick and the Pats have been criticized multiple times over the years for running the score up on opponents late with Brady left in, especially in Brady's best season of 2007. Tom's stats have hardly suffered due to Belichick. If anything, always making sure one has a proper run game keeps defences honest.

Conversely I could say that Rodgers has never in his career had a receiving target anywhere near as good as Gronkowski or Randy Moss. I could also say that Lambeau Field is probably the worst weather field in pro football, which affects a QBs ability to run up stats as well. Not saying that Boston isn't a cold weather place as well, but nowhere near Wisconsin.

Let's get real here. Brady throws the ball more often than Rodgers by a country mile.

2015 through 3 games---- Brady 133 pass attempts --- Rodgers 95
2014 --- Brady 582 pass attempts --- Rodgers 520
2013 ---- Brady 628 pass attempts --- Rodgers 290 (injured)
2012--- Brady 637 pass attempts --- Rodgers 552
2011 ---- Brady 611 pass attempts --- Rodgers 502


So I'd say, if anything the playcalling Rodgers has to deal with is far more restrictive to his stats than Brady's. Green Bay runs the ball far more often, and Rodgers is given far less opportunities to throw the ball each year. Averages about 80 less attempts per year, already 38 attempts less this year.

Aside from this I've said multiple times I consider Tom Brady top 3 all time with Montana and perhaps Unitas. But if Rodgers wins another SB or two, and keeps up his insane passer rating, td%, INT%, YPA, scrambling ability, he's going to finish his career a country mile ahead of Brady. Just the fact his career passer rating is 10points ahead of Brady's is insane. A 106 career passer rating. No one else in football is above 97. His career TD/Int ratio is 4.14, Brady is in second at 2.8... That's an insane difference.

Rodgers is an alien in modern football. Now, we have to wait to see if this will translate to team success and super bowl wins, but he is by far the most efficient quarterback in NFL history. Fuck me, over 4 touchdowns per interception thrown is insane. He's thrown 48 straight touchdowns without a single interception at Lambeau field. 19 straight home games without throwing an interception. That includes snow games, rain games, all those games where it's hard to throw the ball in Wisconsin and he just beasts it.

 

[acmilan]

@acmilan

Rodgers vs Brady

Go.

sheesh, matey, don't make me laugh ... Rogers is in the Peyton/Marino class; Brady and Montana are in a class of their own.

Brady took the 31st ranked D and and incredibly average roster to the SB in 2011 and if not for an injury to Gronk (or Welker actually making a fuckin' catch when it mattered), would have won it.
Rodgers apologists are constantly bitching about him not having a top 5 D as a reason why he is 6-5 in the play-offs. Guess what, last year Tommy had a middle of the pack, at best, D and carried it thru the Ravens and Seattle games.

Rodgers is a darling of the modern, pass-happy era of football. Brady won his first 3 Sbs in times when it wasn't so easy to rack up impressive passing stats. In 2004/05, Polian and the Colts changed the rules to make it easier to score thru the air, so Peyton could finally win his single SB in 2006, otherwise the guy couldn't score in the double digits vs the Pats in the play-offs.
Brady's done with or without a running game, with or without a proper defense, surrounded by no-name, constantly changing supporting cast for the vast majority of his career. Yet, he still leads virtually all passing stats and records in the play-offs and is near the top for the reg-season ones.

Here is some food for thought - Brady is 4-1 in play-off games he's had to throw the rock 50+ times (usually happens when a team has a weak running game and defense). All other QBs in play-off history are 3-27, combined. In his career, Brady is 15-7 in games with 50+ passing attempts, while the king of the sweet, deep ball, Peyton, is 4-13 in such games.
Rodgers has never had a game in his career where he's had to throw the ball for 50+ times. If you drop the mark to 40+ passing attempts, he is 8-13 overall and 0-2 in the play-offs.

 

[Salvo]

Montana is in a league of his own.

 

[Post Ironic]

That Brady, winning his first 3 Super Bowls on the back of his defence and kicker. Yep. He's such a star.

And going from the highest scoring team and record setting offense to putting up 14 points on the wild card Giants.



I love how ridiculous this ACmilan is. Brady's only records are volume ones and only in the playoffs. Rodgers and Montana both smoke him in the playoffs in all QB metrics that matter. As I said, Rodgers absolutely destroys Brady in TD%, INT%, Passer Rating, YPA, Completion %, Rushing, in both the playoffs and regular season.

And Brady no weapons? Welker for years. Prime Randy Moss. Gronkowski for years. Plus a defense full of legends. Yeah. No weapons. Rodgers hasn't played with a single receiver as good as those 3 named above.

ACmilan likes to claim it's only because of modern football, but then why is no one else doing it? Why is everyone in modern football so incredibly far behind?

Stop making me laugh. As I said, it's still a big if, but if Rodgers wins a couple more Super Bowls he'll be seen as the far better QB, it won't be particularly close. His metrics are just way too far above Brady's. Both in the playoffs and regular season. Too far above everyone's.

 

[Salvo]

I could be wrong but did Rodgers not win a Bowl with like half his team out?


AC is too much of a homer to approach this discussion rationally.

 

[Post Ironic]

He did. He also played a perfect Super Bowl game against The Steelers with 311 yards passing, 3 TDs, 0 interceptions, and a 111 passer rating. Things Brady has never managed to do.

Of course Brady has the better career thus far. He's played 100 more games, about 6 more seasons. He's a top 3 QB of all time. The funny bit is we all recognize this, but ACMilan is so intent on making Brady out to be the best of all time that he loses all rationality.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

brady is GOAT no doubt, a natural born winner, dude just wins

 

[Völler]

brady is GOAT no doubt, a natural born winner, dude just wins

This is Tom Brady and a goat. You see the difference? Tom Brady is clearly not the goat.

 

[Post Ironic]

brady is GOAT no doubt, a natural born winner, dude just wins

He just loses too. To Eli Manning. Turning his record setting offense into 14 point producer in the super bowl.

Montana on the other hand is mega clutch and dominant in Super Bowls. No there's a dude who just wins. 4-0, didn't throw a single interception or fumble in 4 SBs unlike that scrub Brady with 4 INTs, 1 fumble, and 1 safety taken. Brady's teams won despite his bumbling play.

 

[acmilan]

Montana is in a league of his own.

@King of Kings

please educate your beloved fool, Your Highness. Poor clown still thinks rooting for the 9ers for 2 seasons somehow gives gravity to his bias ...

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That Brady, winning his first 3 Super Bowls on the back of his defence and kicker. Yep. He's such a star.

And going from the highest scoring team and record setting offense to putting up 14 points on the wild card Giants.



I love how ridiculous this ACmilan is. Brady's only records are volume ones and only in the playoffs. Rodgers and Montana both smoke him in the playoffs in all QB metrics that matter. As I said, Rodgers absolutely destroys Brady in TD%, INT%, Passer Rating, YPA, Completion %, Rushing, in both the playoffs and regular season.

And Brady no weapons? Welker for years. Prime Randy Moss. Gronkowski for years. Plus a defense full of legends. Yeah. No weapons. Rodgers hasn't played with a single receiver as good as those 3 named above.

ACmilan likes to claim it's only because of modern football, but then why is no one else doing it? Why is everyone in modern football so incredibly far behind?

Stop making me laugh. As I said, it's still a big if, but if Rodgers wins a couple more Super Bowls he'll be seen as the far better QB, it won't be particularly close. His metrics are just way too far above Brady's. Both in the playoffs and regular season. Too far above everyone's.

you should read this one more time. do it slowly, at a comfortable for you pace, this time around, so you give it enough time to sink in:

Here is some food for thought - Brady is 4-1 in play-off games he's had to throw the rock 50+ times (usually happens when a team has a weak running game and defense). All other QBs in play-off history are 3-27, combined. In his career, Brady is 15-7 in games with 50+ passing attempts, while the king of the sweet, deep ball, Peyton, is 4-13 in such games.
Rodgers has never had a game in his career where he's had to throw the ball for 50+ times. If you drop the mark to 40+ passing attempts, he is 8-13 overall and 0-2 in the play-offs.

 

[Post Ironic]

@King of Kings

please educate your beloved fool, Your Highness. Poor clown still thinks rooting for the 9ers for 2 seasons somehow gives gravity to his bias ...

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you should read this one more time. do it slowly, at a comfortable for you pace, this time around, so you give it enough time to sink in:

What? You're so ridiculous about this it's not even funny.

Pretty much all of us acknowledge that Brady is one of the best of all time. It's only you that goes on this retarded little crusade about Brady being the undisputed best of all time. Which is ridiculous.

And considering Rodgers crushes Brady in every single statistical category both in playoffs and regular season, as well as being an excellent scrambling QB which is a facet to the game that Brady doesn't have in the slightest. Well, it's quite reasonable to say with another couple SB he will be clearly above Brady.

Aside from this. Let's look at something else. In 6 trips to the Super Bowl Brady has scored more than 30 points once. In his first super bowl he threw for only 145 yards and 1 td(and somehow they gave him the mvp ). The Pats have averaged 22.5 ppg in Super Bowls under Brady, hardly dominant. 3 times they've scored less than 21. Brady has turned the ball over in 4 of the 6 superbowls he's played in. His defences have never allowed more than 29 points in Super Bowl. 4 times they've held opponents to less than 21 points. They've allowed on average 21.5 ppg.

Conversely Montana led his Super Bowl teams to 34.75 ppg in Super Bowls. That's 12.25 more ppg in Super Bowls than Brady. Even Rodgers in his 1 Super Bowl managed to put up 31 points with 3 tds and 0 ints, 311 yards passing, a game better than any Brady has had in the Super Bowl.

 

[.zero]

What a debate we have here

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Maybe @Nostradamus can settle it for us

 

[Völler]

Maybe @Nostradamus can settle it for us

You're such a troll.