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I don't agree with it at all, we shouldve kept Harbs... but Roman had to go. i don't know that Harbs wanted him gone. It was a stupid move but something wasn't right with the management and Jim. Annoying because he is a great coach, but he had his issues this year.
 

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KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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@King of Kings @Rollie

Guys, what's your take on all that drama down in Santa Clara?
This is still a very talented team. 18 players on injured reserve doesn't help any squad, no matter who you are. When you consider that among those on injured reserve were a starting CB, Your starting Center, Your 1st and 2nd string Nose Tackles, and the best MLB combination in the NFL, you make do with what you can.


The highlights of the season were the emergence of some rookies that came into their own in the 2nd half of the season, like Borland, Ellington, Marcus Martin, Johnson, Hyde to a lesser degree, and especially Aaron Lynch.

Quinton Dial and Tank Carradine got a lot of playing time on the defense, after basically not playing at all last year as rookies.

At least this could make some of the high priced veterans on the defense expendable, like Ahmad Brooks and Justin smith, and they can save on the cap, because the offense, especially, and I can't believe I'm saying this, because I never would have said this at this time last year, the offensive line needs some help.

They had no depth at all on the line. Jonathan Martin was terrible stepping in when Davis was out injured for most of the season, and I really have no idea how, out of all the players on the 49ers, that Staley and Iupati made the pro bowl. The line was beyond awful. The provided no running lanes, and left Kaepernick out to dry more often than not. If you have arguably the most athletic and mobile quarterback in the league, but he still gets sacked nearly 50 times, then the fault has to primarily lie with the offensive line. I'm sorry, but it does. Kaepernick had a down year. It happens, and he shoulders the blame too, but the play calling was beyond bad and way too erratic on the offensive side of the ball.


Kaepernick needs to learn how to look for his secondary receivers, and I think everyone knows that. But at the same time, you can't restrict what he is, which is a superior athlete with a great arm, great escapability , and the ability to make a play with his legs as well as his arm. He's a big play guy, and they need playmakers around him. I would also like to see a more New England type of shorter to intermediate passing game, to increase his accuracy. You can't keep tying to go long if you have no one that can actually do it. Well, I take that back. Brandon Lloyd could do it, but they decided that he was best served as a 5th WR.

I don't know where Vernon Davis was this year. Maybe working at the local Gamestop or something, because he was a non-factor. He wasn't even a good decoy.

And the funny thing is that 2 years ago, I told my best friend that the one person whom Kaepernick would miss the most was Delanie Walker. They are still unable to generate anything with a 2 TE set, because that is where Kaepernick had his success. Vance McDonald can't stay on the field, and when he does, he usually makes a great catch and then fumbles it.


Harbaugh leaving, I really don't get too bothered about it. He wanted to be paid like a super bowl winning coach without actually having won a Super Bowl. There were rumblings before the season started that his style was starting to wear thin. There was a fracture in the relationship between ownership, management, and Coach that couldn't be repaired. 8 million a year to go back to your Alma Mater is really tough to turn down, so I don't blame him. Plus, he gets a built in 2 year honeymoon period with that program because it is severely devoid of talent. There is literally nothing there at Michigan.

I just hope that whoever takes over, whether it is one of the two hot names out there right now (McDaniels or Gase), or if it is someone from within, realizes that this is still a really talented team, and they lost their way. It happens. Oh well.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Or something? There's nobody better out there, give the guy an o line and a decent OC
I should apologize to you, sir.

My last couple of posts back in early August were not very nice. I don't apologize for what I said, but my tactfulness was clearly lacking. It should have discussed in private, and I made a grave mistake in bringing it out in the open. I could have apologized to you in private, but that would have been a cowardly way to do it. I criticized you in public, the least I can do is present my Mea Culpa ion public. You deserve that type of respect. I hope that you can forgive me, and that we can re-build the friendship we had.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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I should apologize to you, sir.

My last couple of posts back in early August were not very nice. I don't apologize for what I said, but my tactfulness was clearly lacking. It should have discussed in private, and I made a grave mistake in bringing it out in the open. I could have apologized to you in private, but that would have been a cowardly way to do it. I criticized you in public, the least I can do is present my Mea Culpa ion public. You deserve that type of respect. I hope that you can forgive me, and that we can re-build the friendship we had.

If brothers dont fight, they ain't brothers ;) apology accepted
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Rodgers, Murray or Watt for MVP. Just saying.
Running backs don't get MVP awards anymore. You have to basically get a 2000 yard season or 20 + touchdowns to even be considered. They won't give the MVP to a defensive player on a team that didn't make the playoffs, despite him being the most dominant defensive player in the league.


The MVP is Rodgers' to lose right now. I would have figured Luck to be in the mix, but he came up small a couple of times this year in big games. MVP's don't do that.
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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This is still a very talented team. 18 players on injured reserve doesn't help any squad, no matter who you are. When you consider that among those on injured reserve were a starting CB, Your starting Center, Your 1st and 2nd string Nose Tackles, and the best MLB combination in the NFL, you make do with what you can.


The highlights of the season were the emergence of some rookies that came into their own in the 2nd half of the season, like Borland, Ellington, Marcus Martin, Johnson, Hyde to a lesser degree, and especially Aaron Lynch.

Quinton Dial and Tank Carradine got a lot of playing time on the defense, after basically not playing at all last year as rookies.

At least this could make some of the high priced veterans on the defense expendable, like Ahmad Brooks and Justin smith, and they can save on the cap, because the offense, especially, and I can't believe I'm saying this, because I never would have said this at this time last year, the offensive line needs some help.

They had no depth at all on the line. Jonathan Martin was terrible stepping in when Davis was out injured for most of the season, and I really have no idea how, out of all the players on the 49ers, that Staley and Iupati made the pro bowl. The line was beyond awful. The provided no running lanes, and left Kaepernick out to dry more often than not. If you have arguably the most athletic and mobile quarterback in the league, but he still gets sacked nearly 50 times, then the fault has to primarily lie with the offensive line. I'm sorry, but it does. Kaepernick had a down year. It happens, and he shoulders the blame too, but the play calling was beyond bad and way too erratic on the offensive side of the ball.


Kaepernick needs to learn how to look for his secondary receivers, and I think everyone knows that. But at the same time, you can't restrict what he is, which is a superior athlete with a great arm, great escapability , and the ability to make a play with his legs as well as his arm. He's a big play guy, and they need playmakers around him. I would also like to see a more New England type of shorter to intermediate passing game, to increase his accuracy. You can't keep tying to go long if you have no one that can actually do it. Well, I take that back. Brandon Lloyd could do it, but they decided that he was best served as a 5th WR.

I don't know where Vernon Davis was this year. Maybe working at the local Gamestop or something, because he was a non-factor. He wasn't even a good decoy.

And the funny thing is that 2 years ago, I told my best friend that the one person whom Kaepernick would miss the most was Delanie Walker. They are still unable to generate anything with a 2 TE set, because that is where Kaepernick had his success. Vance McDonald can't stay on the field, and when he does, he usually makes a great catch and then fumbles it.


Harbaugh leaving, I really don't get too bothered about it. He wanted to be paid like a super bowl winning coach without actually having won a Super Bowl. There were rumblings before the season started that his style was starting to wear thin. There was a fracture in the relationship between ownership, management, and Coach that couldn't be repaired. 8 million a year to go back to your Alma Mater is really tough to turn down, so I don't blame him. Plus, he gets a built in 2 year honeymoon period with that program because it is severely devoid of talent. There is literally nothing there at Michigan.

I just hope that whoever takes over, whether it is one of the two hot names out there right now (McDaniels or Gase), or if it is someone from within, realizes that this is still a really talented team, and they lost their way. It happens. Oh well.
It's a game of attrition for everybody, some years more so than others. The Pats were ravaged both on O and D last year too - shit happens, you know.

I was mostly referring to Harbaugh leaving and his falling out with management/ownership, which I think negatively affected the locker room and consequently the entire season for the 9ers more so than say individual injuries to important players (like Bowman and Willis). It could also explain how come so many important leaders for the team, on and off the field, all went missing, all at the same time.

Wonder if you think there was any truth to the rumors of Harbaugh losing (part of) the locker room or was that just smokescreen put out there by the owners to more easily justify (and minimize any potential fallout from) Harbaugh's inevitable removal?

My guess is it wasn't just about money but just as much redistribution of credit and power gong forward. I can see the 9ers not wanting to make him the highest paid coach in the NFL without having won a SB but maybe they didn't have to anyway - 7 mil as opposed to 8 mil would have sufficed, imo. It's hard to see them take a risk in losing the coach, who revived the franchise, over a mil here and a mil there. And, when all is said and done, it wouldn't be too hard to argue that he does deserve to be paid top dollar even without a Lombardi (yet). That makes me think what made Michigan the more attractive option (over staying with the 9ers and in the NFL in general), may have had more to do with being given more power and control, more so than the figure "8" ... and there is the added bonus of less stress too.

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I don't think Watt will get the MVP, but where do you guys think he sits in the scheme of things?
He is the one and only true MVP for me. Has been carrying that team virtually single-handedly all year long and almost dragged them into the play-offs.
Murray could be in the convo but he'd have done jack-all without that OL-ine.
Rogers should be able to score more than a pathetic 20 or so pts in away games too, even if I am sure the "NFL darling" factor will come thru for him in a year where the other suck-till-dry fan and media favorite - Peyton "the choke artist" Manning - has looked as done as an over-cooked slice of dead meat.
 

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