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You can show you are much better when you have time to fix your shid without anyone benching you.
What could have happened if Morata was a an indisputed starter in every game even after those 3 months slump?. How do you think his numbers would have looked?.
Let me tell you something about Pogba, he was utter shid in the first 6 or 8 games of the season...playing like a real chump, bad shots, bad dribbles, annoying mental derps. He was doing exactly the same bullshid performances Morata was doing, but on midfield. He could have been benched easily if we had a serious contender on the bench, but luckily for him we didnt since we have a lot of crap who cant bench him. Ah, and of course because he is the poster boy Pogba.
But those bad games made Pogba a good for nothing reject? obviously no.
Why Pogba deserve special treatment when on a slump but Morata doesnt and is labeled as a flop on this forum?. Because of the hype and the dribbles, and double standards of course.
That slump means nothing. The man has quality and he will most likely show it in the Euros just to clear any doubt about it.
What could have happened if Morata was a an indisputed starter in every game even after those 3 months slump?. How do you think his numbers would have looked?.
Let me tell you something about Pogba, he was utter shid in the first 6 or 8 games of the season...playing like a real chump, bad shots, bad dribbles, annoying mental derps. He was doing exactly the same bullshid performances Morata was doing, but on midfield. He could have been benched easily if we had a serious contender on the bench, but luckily for him we didnt since we have a lot of crap who cant bench him. Ah, and of course because he is the poster boy Pogba.
But those bad games made Pogba a good for nothing reject? obviously no.
Why Pogba deserve special treatment when on a slump but Morata doesnt and is labeled as a flop on this forum?. Because of the hype and the dribbles, and double standards of course.
That slump means nothing. The man has quality and he will most likely show it in the Euros just to clear any doubt about it.
How is it not true? He's a forward. His job is to score and assist goals. From January 27th until the end of the season he was far better at this than any of our other forwards.
FFS, 65 minutes per goal or assist, as opposed to 124 minutes per goal or assist for Dybala over that 4 months stretch. In this case, the stats are so far apart that they do show a lot. He was better than Dybala down the stretch run of the season. It's really not debatable.
Dybala, of course, had a much better season overall. No one would deny that. But once Morata got going in the latter half of the season he was world class down the stretch, and both his stats, and the eye test in that 4 month period are evidence of that. 9 goals - 7 assists in 1035 minutes is not a fluke. Nor was his finish the previous season with 10 goals -4 assists in about 1400 minutes. He's been very dominant over the latter part of both seasons.
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You're so right. 
FFS, 65 minutes per goal or assist, as opposed to 124 minutes per goal or assist for Dybala over that 4 months stretch. In this case, the stats are so far apart that they do show a lot. He was better than Dybala down the stretch run of the season. It's really not debatable.
Dybala, of course, had a much better season overall. No one would deny that. But once Morata got going in the latter half of the season he was world class down the stretch, and both his stats, and the eye test in that 4 month period are evidence of that. 9 goals - 7 assists in 1035 minutes is not a fluke. Nor was his finish the previous season with 10 goals -4 assists in about 1400 minutes. He's been very dominant over the latter part of both seasons.
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If the stats say Morata had a goal/assist every 65 mins and Dybala only every 124 mins, then you should be comfortable saying Morata was about twice as good as Dybala in the last 4 months.
Which obviously no one would say.
Context is important for statistics. Morata did a lot of damage getting subbed into matches we were already leading in the last few months. Like 5-0 to Samp, 4-0 to Palermo, 4-1 to Torino, etc. (It's the same context required to evaluate Zaza properly IMO).
He wasn't a stand out driving force for our attack in those months. Obviously Morata is great but now the pendulum is swinging in the opposite direction calling him world class already.
Which obviously no one would say.
Context is important for statistics. Morata did a lot of damage getting subbed into matches we were already leading in the last few months. Like 5-0 to Samp, 4-0 to Palermo, 4-1 to Torino, etc. (It's the same context required to evaluate Zaza properly IMO).
He wasn't a stand out driving force for our attack in those months. Obviously Morata is great but now the pendulum is swinging in the opposite direction calling him world class already.
There is a reason why Morata isn't an undisputed starter and Pogba is and it has nothing to do with him being the poster boy.
I can only speak from my on behalf and I don't consider Morata a flop nor do I have any doubts over his quality. He's a fantastic player who will only get better but he's not worth the investment that has been quoted at the moment.
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Come on man you are not claiming with a serious face that Morata performed better than Dybala. You need to pull your head out of those stats and remember what we saw with our own eyes.
There was a stretch in our season when Zaza had a better goal/minutes ratio than any other forward in our team but it does not mean he was the best out of them.
I really find it hard to believe that we are even comparing Morata and Dybala when one of them was miles ahead pretty much every time he played.
I can only speak from my on behalf and I don't consider Morata a flop nor do I have any doubts over his quality. He's a fantastic player who will only get better but he's not worth the investment that has been quoted at the moment.
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How is it not true? He's a forward. His job is to score and assist goals. From January 27th until the end of the season he was far better at this than any of our other forwards.
FFS, 65 minutes per goal or assist, as opposed to 124 minutes per goal or assist for Dybala over that 4 months stretch. In this case, the stats are so far apart that they do show a lot. He was better than Dybala down the stretch run of the season. It's really not debatable.
Dybala, of course, had a much better season overall. No one would deny that. But once Morata got going in the latter half of the season he was world class down the stretch, and both his stats, and the eye test in that 4 month period are evidence of that. 9 goals - 7 assists in 1035 minutes is not a fluke. Nor was his finish the previous season with 10 goals -4 assists in about 1400 minutes. He's been very dominant over the latter part of both seasons.
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You're so right.
FFS, 65 minutes per goal or assist, as opposed to 124 minutes per goal or assist for Dybala over that 4 months stretch. In this case, the stats are so far apart that they do show a lot. He was better than Dybala down the stretch run of the season. It's really not debatable.
Dybala, of course, had a much better season overall. No one would deny that. But once Morata got going in the latter half of the season he was world class down the stretch, and both his stats, and the eye test in that 4 month period are evidence of that. 9 goals - 7 assists in 1035 minutes is not a fluke. Nor was his finish the previous season with 10 goals -4 assists in about 1400 minutes. He's been very dominant over the latter part of both seasons.
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You're so right.
There was a stretch in our season when Zaza had a better goal/minutes ratio than any other forward in our team but it does not mean he was the best out of them.
I really find it hard to believe that we are even comparing Morata and Dybala when one of them was miles ahead pretty much every time he played.
You clearly didn't watch him if you believe this. Only his assist against Samp, and the second assist against Palermo.
Against Torino he scored the goals that put that game out of reach. He scored to make it 3-1 and then 4-1 in the 63rd and 76th minutes. Going into the late stages of a game up 2-1 isn't scoring a goal with the game already out of reach in the slightest.
He also assisted the goal that finished off Palermo too. The 2nd goal in the 71st minute. That's not in the slightest a stat-padding assist.
So out of those 9 goals-7 assists, 2 assists are of the stat-padding late sort. THat's it.
Man, people will do anything they can to discredit this guy.
And no he wasn't twice as good as Dybala. As I said, stats don't tell the whole the story, but for a forward goals and assists do tell a story, and they say he was our most productive forward by quite a bit over the last 4 months. Even if we take out the per minute ratio, he still had 16 combined goals and assists, to 10 for Dybala, and 8 for Mandzu. He was our best forward down the stretch run. Dybala is better, and had a better season overall... but Morata was No 1 down the stretch in terms of tangible results.
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Not true at all. This is the same nonsense that people spew about top players even when they have off games.
Morata wasn't better in every single game for the last part of the season... but the comparison with Zaza isn't applicable at all.
Morata didn't just smash Dybala in ratio. He smashed him in overall totals too. While playing slightly less minutes.
Morata after January 27th: 9 goals - 7 assists... 16 combined.
Dybala after January 27th: 9 goals - 1 assist... 10 combined.
Zaza's was a case of a player scoring semi-regularly in very little playing time, and therefore having a a crazy ratio.
Morata played only 150 minutes less, over 1000 minutes down the stretch so it wasn't a small sample size, and absolutely crushed it, both in ratio, and in overall numbers.
Against Torino he scored the goals that put that game out of reach. He scored to make it 3-1 and then 4-1 in the 63rd and 76th minutes. Going into the late stages of a game up 2-1 isn't scoring a goal with the game already out of reach in the slightest.
He also assisted the goal that finished off Palermo too. The 2nd goal in the 71st minute. That's not in the slightest a stat-padding assist.
So out of those 9 goals-7 assists, 2 assists are of the stat-padding late sort. THat's it.
Man, people will do anything they can to discredit this guy.
And no he wasn't twice as good as Dybala. As I said, stats don't tell the whole the story, but for a forward goals and assists do tell a story, and they say he was our most productive forward by quite a bit over the last 4 months. Even if we take out the per minute ratio, he still had 16 combined goals and assists, to 10 for Dybala, and 8 for Mandzu. He was our best forward down the stretch run. Dybala is better, and had a better season overall... but Morata was No 1 down the stretch in terms of tangible results.
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Not true at all. This is the same nonsense that people spew about top players even when they have off games.
Morata wasn't better in every single game for the last part of the season... but the comparison with Zaza isn't applicable at all.
Morata didn't just smash Dybala in ratio. He smashed him in overall totals too. While playing slightly less minutes.
Morata after January 27th: 9 goals - 7 assists... 16 combined.
Dybala after January 27th: 9 goals - 1 assist... 10 combined.
Zaza's was a case of a player scoring semi-regularly in very little playing time, and therefore having a a crazy ratio.
Morata played only 150 minutes less, over 1000 minutes down the stretch so it wasn't a small sample size, and absolutely crushed it, both in ratio, and in overall numbers.
You clearly didn't watch him if you believe this. Only his assist against Samp, and the second assist against Palermo.
Against Torino he scored the goals that put that game out of reach. He scored to make it 3-1 and then 4-1 in the 63rd and 76th minutes. Going into the late stages of a game up 2-1 isn't scoring a goal with the game already out of reach in the slightest.
He also assisted the goal that finished off Palermo too. The 2nd goal in the 71st minute. That's not in the slightest a stat-padding assist.
So out of those 9 goals-7 assists, 2 assists are of the stat-padding late sort. THat's it.
Man, people will do anything they can to discredit this guy.
And no he wasn't twice as good as Dybala. As I said, stats don't tell the whole the story, but for a forward goals and assists do tell a story, and they say he was our most productive forward by quite a bit over the last 4 months. Even if we take out the per minute ratio, he still had 16 combined goals and assists, to 10 for Dybala, and 8 for Mandzu. He was our best forward down the stretch run. Dybala is better, and had a better season overall... but Morata was No 1 down the stretch in terms of tangible results.
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Not true at all. This is the same nonsense that people spew about top players even when they have off games.
Morata wasn't better in every single game for the last part of the season... but the comparison with Zaza isn't applicable at all.
Morata didn't just smash Dybala in ratio. He smashed him in overall totals too. While playing slightly less minutes.
Morata after January 27th: 9 goals - 7 assists... 16 combined.
Dybala after January 27th: 9 goals - 1 assist... 10 combined.
Zaza's was a case of a player scoring semi-regularly in very little playing time, and therefore having a a crazy ratio.
Morata played only 150 minutes less, over 1000 minutes down the stretch so it wasn't a small sample size, and absolutely crushed it, both in ratio, and in overall numbers.
Against Torino he scored the goals that put that game out of reach. He scored to make it 3-1 and then 4-1 in the 63rd and 76th minutes. Going into the late stages of a game up 2-1 isn't scoring a goal with the game already out of reach in the slightest.
He also assisted the goal that finished off Palermo too. The 2nd goal in the 71st minute. That's not in the slightest a stat-padding assist.
So out of those 9 goals-7 assists, 2 assists are of the stat-padding late sort. THat's it.
Man, people will do anything they can to discredit this guy.
And no he wasn't twice as good as Dybala. As I said, stats don't tell the whole the story, but for a forward goals and assists do tell a story, and they say he was our most productive forward by quite a bit over the last 4 months. Even if we take out the per minute ratio, he still had 16 combined goals and assists, to 10 for Dybala, and 8 for Mandzu. He was our best forward down the stretch run. Dybala is better, and had a better season overall... but Morata was No 1 down the stretch in terms of tangible results.
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Not true at all. This is the same nonsense that people spew about top players even when they have off games.
Morata wasn't better in every single game for the last part of the season... but the comparison with Zaza isn't applicable at all.
Morata didn't just smash Dybala in ratio. He smashed him in overall totals too. While playing slightly less minutes.
Morata after January 27th: 9 goals - 7 assists... 16 combined.
Dybala after January 27th: 9 goals - 1 assist... 10 combined.
Zaza's was a case of a player scoring semi-regularly in very little playing time, and therefore having a a crazy ratio.
Morata played only 150 minutes less, over 1000 minutes down the stretch so it wasn't a small sample size, and absolutely crushed it, both in ratio, and in overall numbers.
I rate Morata highly but I have seen nothing to suggest that he's going to outperform Dybala for any stretch of time, you on the other hand think he already has shown even better form than Dybala at some point, fair enough I can live with that
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He could be ahead Morata in being flair and fancy, in having godlike left foot and in having the mentality of a champ. No one is denying that.
But both players on the top of their game are very comparable performance and results wise. Each one with different attributes and tasks, but both perform wonderfully,name it scoring or assisting. One had an unusual slump, the other didnt, but both are freakishly good when the stars align.
We need BOTH.
He could be ahead Morata in being flair and fancy, in having godlike left foot and in having the mentality of a champ. No one is denying that.
But both players on the top of their game are very comparable performance and results wise. Each one with different attributes and tasks, but both perform wonderfully,name it scoring or assisting. One had an unusual slump, the other didnt, but both are freakishly good when the stars align.
We need BOTH.
Yeah we are not going to see eye to eye over this no matter how long we debate
I rate Morata highly but I have seen nothing to suggest that he's going to outperform Dybala for any stretch of time, you on the other hand think he already has shown even better form than Dybala at some point, fair enough I can live with that
I rate Morata highly but I have seen nothing to suggest that he's going to outperform Dybala for any stretch of time, you on the other hand think he already has shown even better form than Dybala at some point, fair enough I can live with that
And don't get me wrong, I think Dybala's peak > Morata's peak. Dybala from the Atalanta game, through the return Roma fixture was pretty much unstoppable. He had like 9 goals-7 assists in 13 league games. Crazy good. That was by far the best run of form from any of our strikers this year.
I also think Dybala is a potential Ballon d'Or winner. Not so for Morata. He has world class potential, but not top 3 in Ballon d'Or type potential.
Too true.
And don't get me wrong, I think Dybala's peak > Morata's peak. Dybala from the Atalanta game, through the return Roma fixture was pretty much unstoppable. He had like 9 goals-7 assists in 13 league games. Crazy good. That was by far the best run of form from any of our strikers this year.
I also think Dybala is a potential Ballon d'Or winner. Not so for Morata. He has world class potential, but not top 3 in Ballon d'Or type potential.
And don't get me wrong, I think Dybala's peak > Morata's peak. Dybala from the Atalanta game, through the return Roma fixture was pretty much unstoppable. He had like 9 goals-7 assists in 13 league games. Crazy good. That was by far the best run of form from any of our strikers this year.
I also think Dybala is a potential Ballon d'Or winner. Not so for Morata. He has world class potential, but not top 3 in Ballon d'Or type potential.
Then I suppose we're losing 100 million to spend on other objectives we could get by selling Pogba.
Stupid way to look at it. If we spend 55 million, it's 55 million.
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2 goals in 20 CL knockout games is very impressive. I agree.
Stupid way to look at it. If we spend 55 million, it's 55 million.
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2 goals in 20 CL knockout games is very impressive. I agree.
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guess, obviously
