Alvaro Morata (55 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

We'd lose 65 million of money to spend on other objectives

Then I suppose we're losing 100 million to spend on other objectives we could get by selling Pogba.

Stupid way to look at it. If we spend 55 million, it's 55 million.

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I think Higuain's stats are impressive, for example.

2 goals in 20 CL knockout games is very impressive. I agree.

 

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[DutchJuventino]

Morata is one of the few modern central strikers around. He is the definition of the future striker. Morata has everything, lenght, technique, pace, cool in front of the goal et cetera. When he came to Juve I was a little bit dissapointed because I thought he wasn't on our level. And I was right, but he made sooo much progression in his two years by Juve. Especially his vision to his teammates, in first he was really selfish. His passing was really bad, but also there he made a big progression.

The only central strikers who are so complete as Morata are Benzema, Lewandowski, Muller (CF?), Suarez, Griezmann and Zlatan. He is not on the same level as these strikers, but I truely believe one day he can become like on of them. So complete and his technique is gorgeous. If we lose Morata, it will be a huge loss. Maybe not for now, but in the future for sure.

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I think Higuain's stats are impressive, for example.

His stats are impressive but he is a pure striker. Morata brings more than only goals.

 

[zizinho]

2 goals in 20 CL knockout games is very impressive. I agree.

 

[il brutto]

Morata was having personal issues in the first months of the campaign because his longtime bitch/GF dumped him and on top of that he found the competition of a seasoned veteran in Mandz maybe in the worst moment.
He was accustomed of having Llorente around too, who helped him acclimate. Losing his pal, losing his girl, the team in total shambles after losing 3 pillars, Pogba in shid form and having to dug it out with Mandz was not easy for him.

This is a situation that will most likely not happen again. After the winter break, he came on firing on all cyllinders and when he was not scoring, was assisting or simply having good cameos everytime he was called. He was in form and it seems he was mentally better with his new girlfriend around.

Next year, it seems that no matter what happens, we will stack the midfield with technical players who will help the built up and provide the forwards with plenty of chances from every direction.

Theres no way Morata will repeat that slump. He seems to be more mature now and will fuck everyone´s asses next season. Mark my words.

I would seriously question if he's mentally strong enough to be a longtime star player if he goes in to a slump every time he breaks up or has some other personal tragedies in his life. When you go onto the football pitch you have to be able leave everything else out of your mind. Also competing for a place is a situation a professional footballer should thrive in not crumble.

Look at Dybala for example he made it impossible for Max to keep him on the bench with performing great even when the rest of the team struggled. Morata has all the ability in the world and should become one of the top forwards in the world but excuses are for losers.

 

[Post Ironic]

I would seriously question if he's mentally strong enough to be a longtime star player if he goes in to a slump every time he breaks up or has some other personal tragedies in his life. When you go onto the football pitch you have to be able leave everything else out of your mind. Also competing for a place is a situation a professional footballer should thrive in not crumble.

Look at Dybala for example he made it impossible for Max to keep him on the bench with performing great even when the rest of the team struggled. Morata has all the ability in the world and should become one of the top forwards in the world but excuses are for losers.

I think the point is that Morata had a much better season than people are giving him credit for. 12 goals - 11 assists in 2377 minutes. A goal or an assist every 100 minutes basically. And that's with an awful 3 month slump in the middle of the season with almost no production.

He had more assists than Dybala. Second on the team to Pogba. He grew by leaps and bounds as a playmaker this year. Next year, I'd bet we will see him be much more consistent, with a more settled team. And I think we'll see him score much more frequently.

He was in awful form from October 18th to January 24th... 0 goals - 3 Assist in 20 appearances (900 minutes)... It was awful.

But he finished the season in absolutely scintillating form. And with how the team finished, and how he finally seemed to figure out his place in the team and get his confidence back entirely, I'd expect him to continue that into next year.

Last 20 appearances - 1035 minutes - 9 goals - 7 assists. that's goddamn brilliant form. A goal or assist every 65 minutes.

 

[baggio]

I would seriously question if he's mentally strong enough to be a longtime star player if he goes in to a slump every time he breaks up or has some other personal tragedies in his life. When you go onto the football pitch you have to be able leave everything else out of your mind. Also competing for a place is a situation a professional footballer should thrive in not crumble.

Look at Dybala for example he made it impossible for Max to keep him on the bench with performing great even when the rest of the team struggled. Morata has all the ability in the world and should become one of the top forwards in the world but excuses are for losers.

The fans rationalising Morata's slump doesn't reflect as an excuse by the player himself. He had his struggles no doubt, and you could say that a lot of strikers in the world would take this slump like season and sign up for the final figures that he returned. What Juve need to consider are their options. Either we pay 35m for Morats, knowing full well that we have paid 20m already, and we know we are getting a future star, or we try and save 30m and invest it in a slightly more unknown quantity such as Batushayi. Given Moratas age, we should consider how long he is going to last us, and if that 35m will actually turn out to be cheaper in the long run, than spending 25m on a striker we don't know can deliver at this level, and then replacing him with another a couple of years down the line, when we can just have a star and not worry about that position for years to come.

When I consider the important goals he has scored for us, and will continue to do so, winning those titles or making deep runs into the CL will alone be enough to recover our cost, notwithstanding what direction his image ends up going in. If he ends up being a hit, then we could make a killing with shirt sales too, as he currently has a very commercial jersey number on his back. In the long run, thus deal would not seem as expensive as it does today, but all this said, I don't think Juve will consider a move like this and will instead allocate resources to equally pressing needs in the midfield. Unfortunate, but true.

 

[il brutto]

I think the point is that Morata had a much better season than people are giving him credit for. 12 goals - 11 assists in 2377 minutes. A goal or an assist every 100 minutes basically. And that's with an awful 3 month slump in the middle of the season with almost no production.

He had more assists than Dybala. Second on the team to Pogba. He grew by leaps and bounds as a playmaker this year. Next year, I'd bet we will see him be much more consistent, with a more settled team. And I think we'll see him score much more frequently.

He was in awful form from October 18th to January 24th... 0 goals - 3 Assist in 20 appearances (900 minutes)... It was awful.

But he finished the season in absolutely scintillating form. And with how the team finished, and how he finally seemed to figure out his place in the team and get his confidence back entirely, I'd expect him to continue that into next year.

Last 20 appearances - 1035 minutes - 9 goals - 7 assists. that's goddamn brilliant form. A goal or assist every 65 minutes.

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The fans rationalising Morata's slump doesn't reflect as an excuse by the player himself. He had his struggles no doubt, and you could say that a lot of strikers in the world would take this slump like season and sign up for the final figures that he returned. What Juve need to consider are their options. Either we pay 35m for Morats, knowing full well that we have paid 20m already, and we know we are getting a future star, or we try and save 30m and invest it in a slightly more unknown quantity such as Batushayi. Given Moratas age, we should consider how long he is going to last us, and if that 35m will actually turn out to be cheaper in the long run, than spending 25m on a striker we don't know can deliver at this level, and then replacing him with another a couple of years down the line, when we can just have a star and not worry about that position for years to come.

When I consider the important goals he has scored for us, and will continue to do so, winning those titles or making deep runs into the CL will alone be enough to recover our cost, notwithstanding what direction his image ends up going in. If he ends up being a hit, then we could make a killing with shirt sales too, as he currently has a very commercial jersey number on his back. In the long run, thus deal would not seem as expensive as it does today, but all this said, I don't think Juve will consider a move like this and will instead allocate resources to equally pressing needs in the midfield. Unfortunate, but true.

 

[Post Ironic]

For reference:

From January 27th:

Alvaro Morata: 20 appearances - 1035 minutes - 9 goals - 7 assists - goal or assist/65 minutes

Paulo Dybala: 17 appearances - 1239 minutes - 9 goals - 1 assist - goal or assist/124 minutes

Mario Mandzukic: 15 appearances - 1278 minutes - 4 goals - 4 assists - goal or assist/160 minutes

Morata was by far our most productive forward over the last 4 months of the season. Almost twice as productive as Dybala even in that time period. This wasn't just a brief little stretch of the season, this was the entire last 4 months. Almost half the season, and he was our most productive forward by a country mile.

SO let's put to rest the retarded misrepresentation of facts going on in his thread people.

(Morata also did the same last year: 1440 minutes from January 27th onwards. 10 goals - 4 assists. A goal or assist every 103 minutes... I think it can't be underestimated, his missing much of preseason each of the last 2 seasons with injury. It has definitely had a detrimental effect on the beginning-mid part of his seasons, as is shown by how dominant he is when he gets going around mid-season).

 

[Hydde]

I would seriously question if he's mentally strong enough to be a longtime star player if he goes in to a slump every time he breaks up or has some other personal tragedies in his life. When you go onto the football pitch you have to be able leave everything else out of your mind. Also competing for a place is a situation a professional footballer should thrive in not crumble.

Look at Dybala for example he made it impossible for Max to keep him on the bench with performing great even when the rest of the team struggled. Morata has all the ability in the world and should become one of the top forwards in the world but excuses are for losers.

Not everyone takes problems the same way. Personal problems outside of your working enviroment can affect your performance in any job, not just in football. Still, that doesnt mean he is destined to be a flop because he is "weak" or something.

Buffon had a confidence breakdown around 2006-2008 (dont remember) and he openly speaks about it and how it affected his performances. Still, the man stepped up, aided by pschycologists and left that behind.

Footballers are humans too, and they are in a way more pressed than the average worker because everyone can see and judge your work. Is not like they are made of iron.

The important thing is not failing, but how you react to that failure and IMO he reacted wonderfully.

Morata in this case improved a lot too.

 

[Post Ironic]

Not everyone takes problems the same way. Personal problems outside of your working enviroment can affect your performance in any job, not just in football. Still, that doesnt mean he is destined to be a flop because he is "weak" or something.

Buffon had a confidence breakdown around 2006-2008 (dont remember) and he openly speaks about it and how it affected his performances. Still, the man stepped up, aided by pschycologists and left that behind.

Footballers are humans too, and they are in a way more pressed than the average worker because everyone can see and judge your work. Is not like they are made of iron.

The important thing is not failing, but how you react to that failure and IMO he reacted wonderfully.

Morata in this case improved a lot too.

He did. I didn't realize how beastly he was over the last 4 months of the season until I just compiled his stats. 9 goals-7 assists in 1035 minutes is insane production. What a player. Brilliant. Easily worth over 50 million, especially in today's market.

 

[Ocelot]

Then I suppose we're losing 100 million to spend on other objectives we could get by selling Pogba.

Stupid way to look at it. If we spend 55 million, it's 55 million.

Well yeah, we do "lose" 100 million by not selling Pogba, in terms of opportunity costs.

But Pogba is worth it, and we won't be able replace him even with 100 million. I disagree about Morata being worth 65 million to us.

 

[Post Ironic]

Well yeah, we do "lose" 100 million by not selling Pogba, in terms of opportunity costs.

But Pogba is worth it, and we won't be able replace him even with 100 million. I disagree about Morata being worth 65 million to us.

I just showed that he was by far our most productive forward over the last 4 months of the season, almost half the season. He was our most productive player in the CL last year too. As well as this year.

So please, how is that not worth 65 million? He's 23. He had a bad 3 month stretch this year. So did Pogba, he was very poor for several months, and then destroyed shit to end the season, just like Morata. Both are 23. So how is Pogba given a free pass on his poor form, and Morata isn't?

It's not 2012 anymore. 23 year olds who have done what Morata has, are worth a fortune.

 

[s4tch]

Well yeah, we do "lose" 100 million by not selling Pogba, in terms of opportunity costs.

But Pogba is worth it, and we won't be able replace him even with 100 million. I disagree about Morata being worth 65 million to us.

with who would you replace morata?

 

[zizinho]

I think the point is that Morata had a much better season than people are giving him credit for. 12 goals - 11 assists in 2377 minutes. A goal or an assist every 100 minutes basically. And that's with an awful 3 month slump in the middle of the season with almost no production.

He had more assists than Dybala. Second on the team to Pogba. He grew by leaps and bounds as a playmaker this year. Next year, I'd bet we will see him be much more consistent, with a more settled team. And I think we'll see him score much more frequently.

He was in awful form from October 18th to January 24th... 0 goals - 3 Assist in 20 appearances (900 minutes)... It was awful.

But he finished the season in absolutely scintillating form. And with how the team finished, and how he finally seemed to figure out his place in the team and get his confidence back entirely, I'd expect him to continue that into next year.

Last 20 appearances - 1035 minutes - 9 goals - 7 assists. that's goddamn brilliant form. A goal or assist every 65 minutes.

For reference:

From January 27th:

Alvaro Morata: 20 appearances - 1035 minutes - 9 goals - 7 assists - goal or assist/65 minutes

Paulo Dybala: 17 appearances - 1239 minutes - 9 goals - 1 assist - goal or assist/124 minutes

Mario Mandzukic: 15 appearances - 1278 minutes - 4 goals - 4 assists - goal or assist/160 minutes

Morata was by far our most productive forward over the last 4 months of the season. Almost twice as productive as Dybala even in that time period. This wasn't just a brief little stretch of the season, this was the entire last 4 months. Almost half the season, and he was our most productive forward by a country mile.

SO let's put to rest the retarded misrepresentation of facts going on in his thread people.

(Morata also did the same last year: 1440 minutes from January 27th onwards. 10 goals - 4 assists. A goal or assist every 103 minutes... I think it can't be underestimated, his missing much of preseason each of the last 2 seasons with injury. It has definitely had a detrimental effect on the beginning-mid part of his seasons, as is shown by how dominant he is when he gets going around mid-season).

I just showed that he was by far our most productive forward over the last 4 months of the season, almost half the season. He was our most productive player in the CL last year too. As well as this year.

So please, how is that not worth 65 million? He's 23. He had a bad 3 month stretch this year. So did Pogba, he was very poor for several months, and then destroyed shit to end the season, just like Morata. Both are 23. So how is Pogba given a free pass on his poor form, and Morata isn't?

It's not 2012 anymore. 23 year olds who have done what Morata has, are worth a fortune.

damn, it seems that whatever you write down i like

 

[il brutto]

I just showed that he was by far our most productive forward over the last 4 months of the season, almost half the season. He was our most productive player in the CL last year too. As well as this year.

So please, how is that not worth 65 million? He's 23. He had a bad 3 month stretch this year. So did Pogba, he was very poor for several months, and then destroyed shit to end the season, just like Morata. Both are 23. So how is Pogba given a free pass on his poor form, and Morata isn't?

It's not 2012 anymore. 23 year olds who have done what Morata has, are worth a fortune.

Neither of them are given a free pass but Pogba's end of the season performances are not comparable to those of Morata's. Pogba showed best midfielder in the world form while Morata showed starting material attacker for Juve form. Our only attacker who is worth 65m is Dybala.

 

[Post Ironic]

Neither of them are given a free pass but Pogba's end of the season performances are not comparable to those of Morata's. Pogba showed best midfielder in the world form while Morata showed starting material attacker for Juve form. Our only attacker who is worth 65m is Dybala.

That's not true at all. Morata showed absolutely incredible form. 9 goals-7 assists in 1035 minutes is not just Juve starter form, it's World Class, one of the best forwards out there type-form. It's as good as Dybala's best 1000 minute stretch last year too.

Aside from this, Dybala is worth 100-120 mil... Morata is easily worth over 55 mil.

 

[il brutto]

That's not true at all. Morata showed absolutely incredible form. 9 goals-7 assists in 1035 minutes is not just Juve starter form, it's World Class, one of the best forwards out there type-form. It's as good as Dybala's best 1000 minute stretch last year too.

Aside from this, Dybala is worth 90-100 mil... Morata is easily worth over 50 mil.

Stats don't show everything. We all know Dybala has been much better pretty much every time he has played. I think this Morata thing has gone in to hyperdrive at some point. He is a good player but nowhere near the finished product yet and saying his form was world class, one of the best forwards out there type just isn't true.

 

[Hydde]

Stats don't show everything. We all know Dybala has been much better pretty much every time he has played. I think this Morata thing has gone in to hyperdrive at some point. He is a good player but nowhere near the finished product yet and saying his form was world class, one of the best forwards out there type just isn't true.

Dybala had a lot of pressure too, and shoes to fill, but well what can we say? he was with a better state of mind and was ready to deliver in a position we just had him. Yeah the ressure was high, but he was ready for it without any issues. Morata on the other hand had some.

Ill still say that some situations led to a poor first half season for Morata. Then after he came back, mandzu as already settled as the go-to-guy, and even then i think Morata can held his head high for the numbers he got after his slump was finished.

Between the time he displaced llorente, to the end of this season...those 3 month slump has been his only bad patch....but on the rest he was always delivering in assists, goals or simply good showings. And even then, he could have played a lot more games of the 2nd half of the season as a starter...but allegri simply didnt wanted for whatever reason.... but Morata´s bad form was surely not an excuse by that time.

Morata, Dybala and Pogba finished the year wonderfully anyways. If the latters showed more, was because they had more time to do that.

 

[il brutto]

Dybala had a lot of pressure too, and shoes to fill, but well what can we say? he was with a better state of mind and was ready to deliver in a position we just had him. Yeah the ressure was high, but he was ready for it without any issues. Morata on the other hand had some.

Ill still say that some situations led to a poor first half season for Morata. Then after he came back, mandzu as already settled as the go-to-guy, and even then i think Morata can held his head high for the numbers he got after his slump was finished.

Between the time he displaced llorente, to the end of this season...those 3 month slump has been his only bad patch....but on the rest he was always delivering in assists, goals or simply good showings. And even then, he could have played a lot more games of the 2nd half of the season as a starter...but allegri simply didnt wanted for whatever reason.... but Morata´s bad form was surely not an excuse by that time.

Morata, Dybala and Pogba finished the year wonderfully anyways. If the latters showed more, was because they had more time to do that.

Dybala and Pogba showed more because they are much better. Morata should be kept here without a doubt if the asking price from Real is reasonable.

 

[duranfj]

That's not true at all. Morata showed absolutely incredible form. 9 goals-7 assists in 1035 minutes is not just Juve starter form, it's World Class, one of the best forwards out there type-form. It's as good as Dybala's best 1000 minute stretch last year too.

Aside from this, Dybala is worth 100-120 mil... Morata is easily worth over 55 mil.

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