Alex Sandro (52 Viewers)

[Fr3sh]

Juventus along with the Atletis and the BvB's are the miskeens of european football

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

Yeah, they're the only elite club from the EPL imo. Historically they're not that big of a club though, but that doesn't really matter much.

They made that leap

 

[Xperd]

I'd say more so from a financial point of view, they don't seem to have that long term pedigree say a Real, Barca or Bayern have.

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But point taken.

They definitely do have the long term financial capability now too. They don't rely on Abramovich's money anymore.

Being in the PL is a blessing for any team money wise.

 

[Fr3sh]

They made that leap

All it took was half season miracle from Di Matteo and Drogba having shoulders broad enough to carry his squad. That CL victory even though, it was one of the ugliest (funniest imo) CL runs and victory, gave them a HUGE boost. I remember that same year they were in contention for Hazard along with City and United. City offered money, United offered legacy by being coached by Ferguson, he chose the CL winners.

 

[The Quazis]

They made that leap

How they can be considered elite if that leap wouldn't have taken place if it weren't for Russian money. You cannot buy an elite status. That's the difference between clubs like us, Real, Bayern and the likes of PSG, City and Chelsea.
They are just nouveau riche, nothing more.

 

[Seven]

All it took was half season miracle from Di Matteo and Drogba having shoulders broad enough to carry his squad. That CL victory even though, it was one of the ugliest (funniest imo) CL runs and victory, gave them a HUGE boost. I remember that same year they were in contention for Hazard along with City and United. City offered money, United offered legacy by being coached by Ferguson, he chose the CL winners.

He even explicitly said he'd go to the CL winners.

 

[Fr3sh]

How they can be considered elite if that leap wouldn't have taken place if it weren't for Russian money. You cannot buy an elite status. That's the difference between clubs like us, Real, Bayern and the likes of PSG, City and Chelsea.

We are far behind the likes of Chelsea, nobody gives a fuck about winning a thousand scudetti and nobody gives a fuck about what happened 100 years ago.

 

[Seven]

How they can be considered elite if that leap wouldn't have taken place if it weren't for Russian money. You cannot buy an elite status. That's the difference between clubs like us, Real, Bayern and the likes of PSG, City and Chelsea.
They are just nouveau riche, nothing more.

No, you can't. You have to win trophies to be considered elite. But Chelsea have won trophies. So they are elite. Regardless of whether they're nouveau riche or not.

 

[Fr3sh]

He even explicitly said he'd go to the CL winners.

Yuup, I was surprised he turned down Man U.

 

[The Quazis]

No, you can't. You have to win trophies to be considered elite. But Chelsea have won trophies. So they are elite. Regardless of whether they're nouveau riche or not.

I specifically used term nouveau riche to make it easier to understand the difference. Both nouveau riche and aristocracy had money. Nouveau riche also tried to behave like aristocracy and still were not considered one. And we are talking about Chelsea being equal to us when Chelsea was totally irrelevant bar last ten years.

 

[Seven]

I specifically used term nouveau riche to make it easier to understand the difference. Both nouveau riche and aristocracy had money. Nouveau riche also tried to behave like aristocracy and still were not considered one. And we are talking about Chelsea being equal to us when Chelsea was totally irrelevant bar last ten years.

Yes. Thank you. I know what nouveau riche means.

I also said why that's irrelevant. Even if they're nouveau riche, they're still elite. What makes you elite is the fact that you win trophies. And they do.

 

[Fr3sh]

I specifically used term nouveau riche to make it easier to understand the difference. Both nouveau riche and aristocracy had money. Nouveau riche also tried to behave like aristocracy and still were not considered one. And we are talking about Chelsea being equal to us when Chelsea was totally irrelevant bar last ten years.

Chelsea are not our equals, they've surpassed us. Money talks.

Chelsea is valued at 1,845 Mil
Juventus is valled at 1, 258 mil

That's a little under 600mil difference.

 

[Xperd]

Whether you people like it or not Chelsea, City and to a lesser extent PSG are and will be attractive destinations for top players as long as they're getting paid and winning/competing for titles which they do( 4 out of the last 5 league titles have been won by Chelsea and City)

Bottom line in football

 

[Fr3sh]

Whether you people like it or not Chelsea, City and to a lesser extent PSG are and will be attractive destinations for top players as long as they're getting paid and winning/competing for titles which they do( 4 out of the last 5 league titles have been won by Chelsea and City)

Bottom line in football

i'd argue that they are more attractive then us.

 

[Hust]

They definitely do have the long term financial capability now too. They don't rely on Abramovich's money anymore.

Being in the PL is a blessing for any team money wise.

That's key there. Anymore. They have been trying to buy there way to this point for a while now. At least we have the pedigree and history, they have, like X said, 10 years.

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i'd argue that they are more attractive then us.

Money talks. That's the way it is now. That's why I always look at this from a fan point of view as a business. Helps a lot with the ups and downs.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

How they can be considered elite if that leap wouldn't have taken place if it weren't for Russian money. You cannot buy an elite status. That's the difference between clubs like us, Real, Bayern and the likes of PSG, City and Chelsea.
They are just nouveau riche, nothing more.

We wouldn't be what we are without fiat money, also we are not in the same class as bayern and madrid, not anymore.
Nouveau riche or old money, facts trump opinion. Fact is chelsea is successful in the pitch and off it and like i said can get any player they want, if that's not elite I don't know what is

 

[Seven]

We wouldn't be what we are without fiat money, also we are not in the same class as bayern and madrid, not anymore.
Nouveau riche or old money, facts trump opinion. Fact is chelsea is successful in the pitch and off it and like i said can get any player they want, if that's not elite I don't know what is

Old money (sometimes referred to as Family Cash, Family Money, or vieux riche) is "the inherited wealth of established upper-class families (i.e. gentry, patriciate)" or "a person, family, or lineage possessing inherited wealth".

@The Quazis

 

[Xperd]

That's key there. Anymore. They have been trying to buy there way to this point for a while now. At least we have the pedigree and history, they have, like X said, 10 years.

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Money talks. That's the way it is now. That's why I always look at this from a fan point of view as a business. Helps a lot with the ups and downs.

And in 10 years they've built a bigger brand than us as much as I hate to say it although we took a big hit due to calciopoli which coincided with the rise of the EPL. In Asia, Chelsea or any top EPL club is more popular than Juventus by a country mile. Same in the United States.

Even Bayern aren't as popular a football brand as top EPL teams are.

 

[Fr3sh]

 

[Hust]

And in 10 years they've built a bigger brand than us as much as I hate to say it although we took a big hit due to calciopoli which coincided with the rise of the EPL. In Asia, Chelsea or any top EPL club is more popular than Juventus by a country mile. Same in the United States.

Even Bayern aren't as popular a football brand as top EPL teams are.

I wouldn't underestimate the level of Bayern, at least here in the States they are pretty big believe it or not, I'd say only Chelsea, ManU, and Arsenal I see more of here, otherwise Bayern are up there.

EPL makes too much money, until Italy gets their shit together of course we won't come close financially.