Alessandro Matri (44 Viewers)

[Hust]

Who is to say another player wouldn't have made the difference instead? We will never know.

And no, 18m wasted plus wages isn't worth the 2 or so games he won for us. That's his job and doing it every once in a blue moon doesn't justify the cost.

 

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[ZoSo]

Well good thing stats don't mean anything.

It's all about off the ball movement

Numbers can't prove that. But members here can.

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Exactly, Hustini, and thanks for pointing that out by the way

Other players score more goals whenever Matri is playing, which is something you can't read out of those stats.

Compliments to Quag for a very good season, though, he was slightly better than Matri in the areas posted by ID.

Slightly?


Minutes per goal:
Quagliarella 121
Matri 179

Minutes per goal/assist:
Quagliarella 94
Matri 149

 

[Hust]

Slightly. Exactly.

Once we get Llorente and another top player you guys will see what it's like having a real match winner in the team.

It's concerning that our midfielders are out performing our strikers

 

[Jem83]

Who is to say another player wouldn't have made the difference instead? Will will never know.

Exactly, which is why contrafactual arguments should never been brought into a discussion. The fact is that Matri did.

And no, 18m wasted plus wages isn't worth the 2 or so games he won for us. That's his job and doing it every once in a blue moon doesn't justify the cost.

2 or so games?

Who set up two assists last season when we beat Inter at the San Siro? Who delivered the cross to Pepe after a great run down the flank when we beat Lazio away (0-1)? Then there was the above-mentioned match against Milan, and at least 3 matches this season (Cagliari, Chievo and Inter) that wouldn't have resulted in 3 points if it weren't for this guy. I could dig up more games if you want?

So we're talking about at least 6 matches here that I can remember from the top of my head (but there are more, if you really want me to post them).

Particularly last season, and I will say around christmas this season, he proved to be a decisive player for us - contributing greatly to our title wins. That alone justifies the price-tag in my opinion.

His goal-ratio over the course of his 2,5 seasons at the club isn't bad either, just look it up!

 

[Hust]

Exactly, which is why contrafactual arguments should never been brought into a discussion. The fact is that Matri did.



2 or so games?

Who set up two assists last season when we beat Inter at the San Siro? Who delivered the cross to Pepe after a great run down the flank when we beat Lazio away (0-1)? Then there was the above-mentioned match against Milan, and at least 3 matches this season (Cagliari, Chievo and Inter) that wouldn't have resulted in 3 points if it weren't for this guy. I could dig up more games if you want?

So we're talking about at least 6 matches here that I can remember from the top of my head (but there are more, if you really want me to post them).

Particularly last season, and I will say around christmas this season, he proved to be a decisive player for us - contributing greatly to our title wins. That alone justifies the price-tag in my opinion.

His goal-ratio over the course of his 2,5 seasons at the club isn't bad either, just look it up!

2 seasons with 6 games.

2 seasons and he couldn't guarantee a starting spot against an inconsistent mirko, "indecisive" giovinco, coming back from a serious injury and rarely starting quag...

Another team is where he needs to be. He never performed at a level long enough to justify the cost this club paid.

 

[Jem83]

Slightly. Exactly.

Once we get Llorente and another top player you guys will see what it's like having a real match winner in the team.

It's concerning that our midfielders are out performing our strikers

Team Matri takes pride in the ability to judge players with more precision than you. You bring absolutely no scrutiny and nuance into it. You just swiftly look at some numbers and put your stamp on a player. You have to realize how annoying that is.

Take a closer look at the matches he did settle and ask yourself of the importance that had for both scudetti wins. I think you're ungrateful, Cam.

 

[Hust]

Team Matri takes pride in the ability to judge players with more precision than you. You bring absolutely no scrutiny and nuance into it. You just swiftly look at some numbers and put your stamp on a player. You have to realize how annoying that is.

Take a closer look at the matches he did settle and ask yourself of the importance that had for both scudetti wins. I think you're ungrateful, Cam.

It's funny that Team Matri consists of what, 5 members here?

I'm sorry, I've watched the guy for 2.5 seasons Jem. What would you like me to say?

 

[Jem83]

Slightly?


Minutes per goal:
Quagliarella 121
Matri 179

Minutes per goal/assist:
Quagliarella 94
Matri 149

Based on what you posted, it is not slightly. Quag had a better season.

I said slightly because those stats don't reveal the full picture. There are elements to Matri's game that is highly beneficial for us, that you won't find in those stats.

 

[Hust]

I could also say how annoying it is that people still support him as a "good player" rather than just a nice guy.

It's like people that still supported Amauri by making excuses why he never scored.

 

[Jem83]

I could also say how annoying it is that people still support him as a "good player" rather than just a nice guy.

It's like people that still supported Amauri by making excuses why he never scored.

He is a good player.

But by your and some other people's logic, just because he couldn't cut it against Bayern München, he must be really really poor. That's when the new-found Matri-hate really settled in again on Tuz, big time.

I'd like to tell you of a few Barcelona players who couldn't cut it against that marvellous team either.

 

[ZoSo]

Based on what you posted, it is not slightly. Quag had a better season.

I said slightly because those stats don't reveal the full picture. There are elements to Matri's game that is highly beneficial for us, that you won't find in those stats.

Next season when we may have Higuain and/or Jovetic, this will matter much less and the goals will matter even more. Therefore, Quag is the better player to keep.

Slightly. Exactly.

Once we get Llorente and another top player you guys will see what it's like having a real match winner in the team.

It's concerning that our midfielders are out performing our strikers

Quag scored 12 goals +4 assists for a small amount of mostly bench minutes and he was still our top CL scorer (4). He is the perfect supersub for next season, considering we can't afford a Man City bench.

 

[Hust]

He is a good player.

But by your and some other people's logic, just because he couldn't cut it against Bayern München, he must be really really poor. That's when the new-found Matri-hate really settled in again on Tuz, big time.

I'd like to tell you of a few Madrid and Barcelona players who couldn't cut it against that marvellous team either.

Now when did I say anything about bayern? Not once.

I've criticized him long before that game.

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And yes Quag should stay. Matri needs to be sold.

 

[Jem83]

Next season when we may have Higuain and/or Jovetic, this will matter much less and the goals will matter even more. Therefore, Quag is the better player to keep.

I have no problem with this, ID. The way I see it, there are good reasons to keep both, so... Which side you're on, that's perfectly fine. I'm not even gonna debate that at all.

I'm merely attacking Hustini's attitude towards a player who was decisive for us on many occasions. Yes, he's no Cavani or Falcao, but he has still been good for us. To bring his transfer fee from 2010 into the equation is fucking ridiculous, because he has more than made up for that sum. That's what I'm attacking here, not that people prefer Quag.

 

[Hust]

I have no problem with this, ID. The way I see it, there are good reasons to keep both, so... Which side you're on, that's perfectly fine. I'm not even gonna debate that at all.

I'm merely attacking Hustini's attitude towards a player who was decisive for us on many occasions. Yes, he's no Cavani or Falcao, but he has still been good for us. To bring his transfer fee from 2010 into the equation is fucking ridiculous, because he has more than made up for that sum. That's what I'm attacking here, not that people prefer Quag.

Wait , what? He has made up for the costs? Did I read that right?

 

[Jem83]

Absolutely. When you settle so many games, whether it be via goals or assists, against teams like Milan, Inter, Lazio and Roma - and other smaller clubs when we struggled - in seasons when we ended up winning the league - you have justified that price-tag.

 

[Hust]

What about that drought he had where the rest of the team had to pickup the burden of a floundering striker?

Point is, a "good" strikers finds consistency. Matri still has us all waiting for it.

 

[Jem83]

What about that drought he had where the rest of the team had to pickup the burden of a floundering striker?

Point is, a "good" strikers finds consistency. Matri still has us all waiting for it.

Every striker has droughts. Even Cavani went 8 matches without scoring this season. In Matri's defence (and this also will be in Quag's defence) is that our rotation-system hasn't really made it easy on him (or Quag) to find consistency. It has been a "either you score or I bench you" policy by Conte.

I can tell you one thing, though. Almost every single time when he was on the pitch, without scoring, he made it easier for his opponents to find the net - or to get clear-cut chances.

 

[.zero]

He did his part when he was first brought in during the winter of 2010/2011

Get off his case you dickwrenches

 

[Hust]

Absolutely. When you settle so many games, whether it be via goals or assists, against teams like Milan, Inter, Lazio and Roma - and other smaller clubs when we struggled - in seasons when we ended up winning the league - you have justified that price-tag.

For 7m more we could get Higuain who can easily net more than 20 goals and decide 6 games a season on his own. THAT'S justifying your fee. Matri has no business claiming such. Nor do you in the case. That's my opinion. Feel free to disagree all you want. I've had 2.5 seasons to make up my mind.

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He did his part when he was first brought in during the winter of 2010/2011

Get off his case you dickwrenches

Me or Jem?

 

[Jem83]

Me or Jem?

You, obviously!