++ [ originally posted by HWIENIAWSKI ] ++
I don't have time to really put down an indepth reply, but I have just one quick point-Some people here have asked why the death of Palestinian civilians (or children) is not as publicised as the death of Israeli citizens and children. The answer is very simple-palestinian civilan deaths are not intentional-they are horrible accidents ,
Excuse my reaction, and less-than-decent start to this long post, but "Accidents" my Ass!
They know exactly how many civilians they're gonna kill with every strike. true they might target some fighters, but the claimed "targets" to civilian death ratio speaks for itself.
while as terrorists do their best to target civilians, hence bombings at markets, cafes, etc. also, suicide bombers are basically civilians
Of course they are civilians.. is there another option?
BTW, Do you think that their goal in life is to kill civilians? Of course not. Their goal is to fight back opression any way they can. the only way they can is Indirectly. The Israeli army is one of the most powerful in the world. They can't be touched in face to face combat.
I'm not here to say it's right or wrong, but this just helps explain the situation. think about it hard.
-the Israeli military is seperate from the civilian population, while you could say that the palestinian civial population IS the military.
Yes. The Israelis are organized and in uniform. but keep in mind that in Israel it's almost (if not, completely) mandatory to join the military if you're a capabale young adult. Many civialians make the force even for a little while.
The Palastinians dont have the luxery, capability, or even the permission to have a state-made and uniformed army. They all died years ago! since the people dont find life anymore easier; the houses are stilll being demolished, lands are still being taken, walls are built, communication and transportation in their own territories are disrupted, and they are harrased/abused; the force that retaliates is gonna have to be directly from the people. Mostly for whoever has the physical capability. I agree, it's not the best idea in the world because they're still around their families and it put the kids and women in harms way, but what other option do they have?
Sitting back got many of them departed and made them lose a lot of land. fighting back has the same outcome, but at a slower rate and at a bigger cost for the Israelis.
If you're home is demolished, wouldn't you fight back yourself? would you wait for a military of your people to suddinly appear out of the blue?!!
I, personally, dont agree with killing innocent, but i do understand why they do it. It's not out of pure unprovoked Evil. It just highlights the sub-human or even sub-animal state that they live in. I dread being in their terrible situation :down:
It's even more complex than that, but whether anyones likes it or not, a terrorist is one who kills women and children, regardless of where they live and even if they have uniforms on. Sadly, the Media only see terrorism one way.
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Think hard and long about this: (I'll remove the names...even though things are obvious)
Country "A" has the wealth, resources, power, and most of the land while People "B" have been getting poorer, homeless, jobless, and departed by the day for decades now.
There's a conflict...It's ugly, terrible and inhuman.
One side is throwing bombs, and using bulldozers, claiming and renaming villlages, while the other side has members that blow themselves up to kill many innocent civilians.
Which side (not people) would you say is the aggressor, and which side is the one desperate to put up a fight?
Is it logical that only one fighting side is branded "terrorist" and the other fighters "innocent?"
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BTW, Read about Zionism (i'm sure you know anyway). That's what the state of Israel was formed to implement. It's pure genocide. Their plans are known. I am, like many aware jews here in the US are too, againt Zionism. Having Jews demonstrate against what the Israelis are doing confirms to me even more that there's so much more going on than meets the eye (or the eyes of the US media).
The sad thing is that many Israelis dont know it. The Israeli grasp over their media is pretty powerfull in keeping their citizens in the dark about their military activities. This is one of the reasons why i'm against killling Israeli civilians. They aren't a part of it.
In Israeli schools, the kids are taught to hate the "Evil Arabs." I can say the same thing aboult Arabic schools. They teach to hate too.
It's all messed up really. It's frikkin depressing just writing about it too.
Well, after all this keyboard stroking, i still, like everyone else, dont have a clear solution. However, i think i did put some things in perspective.
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