Airstrike kills Hamas chief (1 Viewer)
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I have to say that even though I know there will only be more violence, I am quite happy that the Hamas spiritual leader was killed. Someone here said that both sides are hypocrites-that is not really true. For a while Israeli responses to the many terrorist attacks on them were very limited-however, terrorist organizations never backed down. so it is only logical that if restraining yourself from making major retaliations does not work, then something else should be tried. Therefore I find it hard to fault the Israelis too much. Afterall, when in 1948 the state of Israel was formed, the Israelis did not go and start attacking neighboring countries-the Arab countries surrounding launched a concerted attack against that. Those Arab countries were soundly defeated, and lost a lot of land. since then there has only been one semi successful war launched by Arab countries-most of them have backfired, with Israel gaining more territory. so what do the radical Muslims do? rather than make a real attempt at a diplomatic resolution, they us terrorism to make their point. The head of the Palestinian National Authority is a former terrorist! Israel has, since it's inception, been under almost nonstop attack from Arab countries-how are they supossed to respond? the Koran says "God does not love aggressors" so why the incessant violence? why not reach out and try to persuade the world that your cause is just-using the media to basically advertise your points...Israelis doe not deserve the constant danger in which they live, and the Arab people do not deserve the image that ultra-radical groups and despotic rulers give them.
Let me ask you a couple of questions that'll get your mind going:
1. Do you honestly think that these "terrorist" attacks are based on nothing; just pure hate? or to "make a point" ?
2. Do you even the civilian Palestinian/Isreali casualty rate?
3. Do you know what happened in Jenin? (you'll change your mind on who's the terrorist when you read this)
4. Do you know how the state of Israel was formed and at who's expense?!
5. Have you asked yourself why these arab monsters
are against Israel. Did it ever occur to you that they may be trying to answer calls of their opressed brothers.6. What do you know about Zionism and it's goals... make sure you look up the word "Genocide!"
you've been living in the US too long. You have no idea how Bias the US Media is! (i'm not saying the rest of the world's media is any better, but you have to look at all angles before judging.)
I wish i had the time to gather facts for you to see for yourself. I may just do that, but for now, i'll let you do some research.
what you see on your local news chanels, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, whatever is not the whole truth....
please think twice before drawing any conclusions.
AGREED. More over it this has intertwined into either side's mentality, ideology and let it filter into their religion. Deep down Israeli's fear Arabs as madmen and deep down every Arab fears an Israeli as a thief. If long lasting peace were to be made it should have been years ago after UN resolution 101 and NOT generations later when they are raised to despise the other side. Anti-Israeli thinking has made its way into various versions of the Koran by extermists and "Arab=terrorist" mentality is the only picture painted in the heads of the young Israelis as they enroll in the mandatory year of duty. This dog eat dog: You bombed us YES but you blew up a pizzeria full of people is a vicious and emotional cycle with no logic whatsoever. What a shame.
Yes, it's been said a million times and we can repeat the same story over and over, it changes nothing. A lot of different parties have tried to negotiate the conflict, some of them completely neutral and it has achieved next to nothing. It would take a complete turnaround in people's mentality to solve this conflict and patch up the damage.
And what is always true is that the vast majority of people have no interest in being dragged into radical political movement, nevertheless they are affected by it whether they like it or not. Imagine if all Israelis, Palestinians and miscellaneous other groups who are not politically inclined could come together and build a society between themselves and let the politicians and radicals fight it out for themselves. That would really be something.
And what is always true is that the vast majority of people have no interest in being dragged into radical political movement, nevertheless they are affected by it whether they like it or not. Imagine if all Israelis, Palestinians and miscellaneous other groups who are not politically inclined could come together and build a society between themselves and let the politicians and radicals fight it out for themselves. That would really be something.
++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
Let me ask you a couple of questions that'll get your mind going:
1. Do you honestly think that these "terrorist" attacks are based on nothing; just pure hate? or to "make a point" ?
2. Do you even the civilian Palestinian/Isreali casualty rate?
3. Do you know what happened in Jenin? (you'll change your mind on who's the terrorist when you read this)
4. Do you know how the state of Israel was formed and at who's expense?!
5. Have you asked yourself why these arab monsters are against Israel. Did it ever occur to you that they may be trying to answer calls of their opressed brothers.
6. What do you know about Zionism and it's goals... make sure you look up the word "Genocide!"
you've been living in the US too long. You have no idea how Bias the US Media is! (i'm not saying the rest of the world's media is any better, but you have to look at all angles before judging.)
I wish i had the time to gather facts for you to see for yourself. I may just do that, but for now, i'll let you do some research.
what you see on your local news chanels, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, whatever is not the whole truth....
please think twice before drawing any conclusions.
Let me ask you a couple of questions that'll get your mind going:
1. Do you honestly think that these "terrorist" attacks are based on nothing; just pure hate? or to "make a point" ?
2. Do you even the civilian Palestinian/Isreali casualty rate?
3. Do you know what happened in Jenin? (you'll change your mind on who's the terrorist when you read this)
4. Do you know how the state of Israel was formed and at who's expense?!
5. Have you asked yourself why these arab monsters
are against Israel. Did it ever occur to you that they may be trying to answer calls of their opressed brothers.6. What do you know about Zionism and it's goals... make sure you look up the word "Genocide!"
you've been living in the US too long. You have no idea how Bias the US Media is! (i'm not saying the rest of the world's media is any better, but you have to look at all angles before judging.)
I wish i had the time to gather facts for you to see for yourself. I may just do that, but for now, i'll let you do some research.
what you see on your local news chanels, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, whatever is not the whole truth....
please think twice before drawing any conclusions.
just out of curiousity, i would like very much to hear a Jew view about this issues...just to know other perspective.... so , without being offensive or starting a sensitvie war, i would appreciate if HWIENIAWSKI or any jew gave their opinion about them...
I may be labeled as a terrorist or whatever after this (to tell you the truth I couldnt care less), but I'm completely on the Palestinians side. Their land was taken away from them for Israel to be formed, they are treated horribly, dont have even the basic human rights, they are prisoners in their own country.
Do you see anyone making a fuss when Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian boys who are armed with nothing but rocks, or when they kill a 120 innocent people in an assasination of a Hamas leader? But when Hamas kills 5 Israelis it's a world tragedy. Hell, this isnt terrorism at all, this is guerilla warfare, and I'd probably be doing the same if I were in their position.
Do you see anyone making a fuss when Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian boys who are armed with nothing but rocks, or when they kill a 120 innocent people in an assasination of a Hamas leader? But when Hamas kills 5 Israelis it's a world tragedy. Hell, this isnt terrorism at all, this is guerilla warfare, and I'd probably be doing the same if I were in their position.
++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
Let me ask you a couple of questions that'll get your mind going:
1. Do you honestly think that these "terrorist" attacks are based on nothing; just pure hate? or to "make a point" ?
2. Do you even the civilian Palestinian/Isreali casualty rate?
3. Do you know what happened in Jenin? (you'll change your mind on who's the terrorist when you read this)
4. Do you know how the state of Israel was formed and at who's expense?!
5. Have you asked yourself why these arab monsters are against Israel. Did it ever occur to you that they may be trying to answer calls of their opressed brothers.
6. What do you know about Zionism and it's goals... make sure you look up the word "Genocide!"
you've been living in the US too long. You have no idea how Bias the US Media is! (i'm not saying the rest of the world's media is any better, but you have to look at all angles before judging.)
I wish i had the time to gather facts for you to see for yourself. I may just do that, but for now, i'll let you do some research.
what you see on your local news chanels, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, whatever is not the whole truth....
please think twice before drawing any conclusions.
Let me ask you a couple of questions that'll get your mind going:
1. Do you honestly think that these "terrorist" attacks are based on nothing; just pure hate? or to "make a point" ?
2. Do you even the civilian Palestinian/Isreali casualty rate?
3. Do you know what happened in Jenin? (you'll change your mind on who's the terrorist when you read this)
4. Do you know how the state of Israel was formed and at who's expense?!
5. Have you asked yourself why these arab monsters
are against Israel. Did it ever occur to you that they may be trying to answer calls of their opressed brothers.6. What do you know about Zionism and it's goals... make sure you look up the word "Genocide!"
you've been living in the US too long. You have no idea how Bias the US Media is! (i'm not saying the rest of the world's media is any better, but you have to look at all angles before judging.)
I wish i had the time to gather facts for you to see for yourself. I may just do that, but for now, i'll let you do some research.
what you see on your local news chanels, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, whatever is not the whole truth....
please think twice before drawing any conclusions.
With all due respect Majed (no joking) their is biasness, brainwashing and an askewed vision on both sides of the "fence". This is VERY OBVIOUS by many posts.
What would you expect from people who have been at loggerheads ever since? Misconception will be rife smothering all the good intentions of the honest & righteous people from both ends who would love nothing more than a peaceful co-existence.
Every conflict has an aggressor and to solve it the problem has to be recognised first. IMHO This is the probably the most difficult area to be addressed in this conflict.
Every conflict has an aggressor and to solve it the problem has to be recognised first. IMHO This is the probably the most difficult area to be addressed in this conflict.
jewish people and muslim people have lived together for centuries in Iraq, Morroco, Yemen and many other arab places (even in saudi) but there were no conflicts between these people .... i must say that Zionism is the biggest problem out there in Palastine and to solve everything the world must stand against Zionism ...
i dont think that's the case Erik.
read about the casualty ratio. It's no where near 1-to-1.
If you are refering to the case where the young palastinina boy was killed and how it caused so much contraversy. This issue was so big because it was Televised. The world actually saw a glimps of what goes on.
So much shit goes undercover from the world and even the Israeli public themselves. They dont know how bad their government is. They dont know about all the masacers.
I went to a forum in Michigan where a group of Americans (non-muslim) talked about their trip to Israel to see what's going on. They wanted to know what goes on and they explained how tough it was to get anywhere even though they were American. Many jurnalists wanted to go find out what happened in Jenin, but they were turned away. some western jurnalists were even shot dead. These things dont make the news in the USA. The US doesn't want their people against Israel because they dont want to sacrifice the US-Israeli stratigical relationship. This is not something i just picked up from my local arab news channel. This is from nonbias people telling what they know. Also, these people aren't just bums from the street. One of the women (can't remmeber her name :groan: ) was a university professor.
I know being an Arab, you'll always see my opinion as bias, but that doesn't mean you should deem my words as BS.
Also, dont assume that i think the PLO is 100% pure. They have their share of BS. and i also believe that two wrongs dont make a right.
It's a viscious cycle... and I honestly dont see the problem getting resolved anytime soon.
read about the casualty ratio. It's no where near 1-to-1.
If you are refering to the case where the young palastinina boy was killed and how it caused so much contraversy. This issue was so big because it was Televised. The world actually saw a glimps of what goes on.
So much shit goes undercover from the world and even the Israeli public themselves. They dont know how bad their government is. They dont know about all the masacers.
I went to a forum in Michigan where a group of Americans (non-muslim) talked about their trip to Israel to see what's going on. They wanted to know what goes on and they explained how tough it was to get anywhere even though they were American. Many jurnalists wanted to go find out what happened in Jenin, but they were turned away. some western jurnalists were even shot dead. These things dont make the news in the USA. The US doesn't want their people against Israel because they dont want to sacrifice the US-Israeli stratigical relationship. This is not something i just picked up from my local arab news channel. This is from nonbias people telling what they know. Also, these people aren't just bums from the street. One of the women (can't remmeber her name :groan: ) was a university professor.
I know being an Arab, you'll always see my opinion as bias, but that doesn't mean you should deem my words as BS.
Also, dont assume that i think the PLO is 100% pure. They have their share of BS. and i also believe that two wrongs dont make a right.
It's a viscious cycle... and I honestly dont see the problem getting resolved anytime soon.
That's not what I meant. What I meant was that you have (on both sides) these groups of extremists who call on heaven, earth and hell how big a disaster it is when one of 'theirs' dies yet when someone from 'them' dies they throw a party.
That's a slight exaggeration but you get my point.
Actually, in Europe (or at least Holland, not sure about the rest) we DO get to see that. Which is why we are now in that whole 'Israel blaming Europe for becoming anti-semitic again just like prior to WWII' cycle.
Not necessarily. I mean, I have been called biased because I'm Dutch (you know, the whole Jew history during world war two when there was a considerable number of them saved from the nazis here). I just think this is an issue where EVERYONE is biased to some degree. That's what we're human for.
I am, however, also convinced that nobody knows all the facts and history there is to know, apart from maybe a couple of professors. Sharon, Arafat, they don't know either. They are simply too close to the conflict to start with but that's another topic.
Agreed.
Now this I agree with.
That's a slight exaggeration but you get my point.
Actually, in Europe (or at least Holland, not sure about the rest) we DO get to see that. Which is why we are now in that whole 'Israel blaming Europe for becoming anti-semitic again just like prior to WWII' cycle.
Not necessarily. I mean, I have been called biased because I'm Dutch (you know, the whole Jew history during world war two when there was a considerable number of them saved from the nazis here). I just think this is an issue where EVERYONE is biased to some degree. That's what we're human for.
I am, however, also convinced that nobody knows all the facts and history there is to know, apart from maybe a couple of professors. Sharon, Arafat, they don't know either. They are simply too close to the conflict to start with but that's another topic.
Agreed.
Now this I agree with.
I as a Muslim isn't against an Israeli just because of his religion. But this goes to Majed - I thought since the start, there have always been a conflict between Jews and Muslims and there always will be? I don't know, I heard a rumour saying that there was a quote - not sure if its in the Koran or hadith or what - saying that the Jews and Muslims naturally will never come totally at peace or something. I might be wrong, so please correct me.