Airstrike kills Hamas chief (6 Viewers)

[Fred]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++

Excuse my reaction, and less-than-decent start to this long post, but "Accidents" my Ass!
They know exactly how many civilians they're gonna kill with every strike. true they might target some fighters, but the claimed "targets" to civilian death ratio speaks for itself.


Of course they are civilians.. is there another option?
BTW, Do you think that their goal in life is to kill civilians? Of course not. Their goal is to fight back opression any way they can. the only way they can is Indirectly. The Israeli army is one of the most powerful in the world. They can't be touched in face to face combat.
I'm not here to say it's right or wrong, but this just helps explain the situation. think about it hard.


Yes. The Israelis are organized and in uniform. but keep in mind that in Israel it's almost (if not, completely) mandatory to join the military if you're a capabale young adult. Many civialians make the force even for a little while.

The Palastinians dont have the luxery, capability, or even the permission to have a state-made and uniformed army. They all died years ago! since the people dont find life anymore easier; the houses are stilll being demolished, lands are still being taken, walls are built, communication and transportation in their own territories are disrupted, and they are harrased/abused; the force that retaliates is gonna have to be directly from the people. Mostly for whoever has the physical capability. I agree, it's not the best idea in the world because they're still around their families and it put the kids and women in harms way, but what other option do they have?
Sitting back got many of them departed and made them lose a lot of land. fighting back has the same outcome, but at a slower rate and at a bigger cost for the Israelis.

If you're home is demolished, wouldn't you fight back yourself? would you wait for a military of your people to suddinly appear out of the blue?!!

I, personally, dont agree with killing innocent, but i do understand why they do it. It's not out of pure unprovoked Evil. It just highlights the sub-human or even sub-animal state that they live in. I dread being in their terrible situation :down:

It's even more complex than that, but whether anyones likes it or not, a terrorist is one who kills women and children, regardless of where they live and even if they have uniforms on. Sadly, the Media only see terrorism one way.

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Think hard and long about this: (I'll remove the names...even though things are obvious)

Country "A" has the wealth, resources, power, and most of the land while People "B" have been getting poorer, homeless, jobless, and departed by the day for decades now.
There's a conflict...It's ugly, terrible and inhuman.
One side is throwing bombs, and using bulldozers, claiming and renaming villlages, while the other side has members that blow themselves up to kill many innocent civilians.

Which side (not people) would you say is the aggressor, and which side is the one desperate to put up a fight?

Is it logical that only one fighting side is branded "terrorist" and the other fighters "innocent?"

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BTW, Read about Zionism (i'm sure you know anyway). That's what the state of Israel was formed to implement. It's pure genocide. Their plans are known. I am, like many aware jews here in the US are too, againt Zionism. Having Jews demonstrate against what the Israelis are doing confirms to me even more that there's so much more going on than meets the eye (or the eyes of the US media).

The sad thing is that many Israelis dont know it. The Israeli grasp over their media is pretty powerfull in keeping their citizens in the dark about their military activities. This is one of the reasons why i'm against killling Israeli civilians. They aren't a part of it.
In Israeli schools, the kids are taught to hate the "Evil Arabs." I can say the same thing aboult Arabic schools. They teach to hate too.

It's all messed up really. It's frikkin depressing just writing about it too.
Well, after all this keyboard stroking, i still, like everyone else, dont have a clear solution. However, i think i did put some things in perspective.

"Where is the Love?" [/Justin Timberlake]

a quality post that shows how aware you are to whats happening around us.unlike some(i dont blame them)that are brainwashed by their own media.

 

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[Sarah_old]

Here we go again: (Taken from here)

International concern

The Israeli army confirmed that it had carried out the attack saying in a statement that Mr Rantissi was "a mastermind of terrorism... directly responsible for the killing of scores of Israelis in numerous terror attacks".

The US reiterated its policy that Israel "has the right to defend itself from terrorist attack". (WTF? And right, so states can just go around blowing up who ever they want as a form of protection? Oh, that's logical.)

But a White House spokesman added that the US "strongly urges Israel to consider carefully the consequences of its actions, and we again urge all parties to exercise maximum restraint at this time".

The Palestinian Authority condemned the killing, accusing Israel of "state terror".

"It is evident now to the world that the Palestinian people need international protection more than ever," Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat told the Reuters news agency.

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called 'targeted assassinations' of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive."

A spokesman for the Arab League, Hossam Zaki, said the organisation condemned the incident, describing it as "state terrorism".

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[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Sarah ] ++
Here we go again: (Taken from here)

International concern

The Israeli army confirmed that it had carried out the attack saying in a statement that Mr Rantissi was "a mastermind of terrorism... directly responsible for the killing of scores of Israelis in numerous terror attacks".

The US reiterated its policy that Israel "has the right to defend itself from terrorist attack". (WTF? And right, so states can just go around blowing up who ever they want as a form of protection? Oh, that's logical.)

But a White House spokesman added that the US "strongly urges Israel to consider carefully the consequences of its actions, and we again urge all parties to exercise maximum restraint at this time".

The Palestinian Authority condemned the killing, accusing Israel of "state terror".

"It is evident now to the world that the Palestinian people need international protection more than ever," Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat told the Reuters news agency.

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called 'targeted assassinations' of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive."

A spokesman for the Arab League, Hossam Zaki, said the organisation condemned the incident, describing it as "state terrorism".

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The Israeli Government have demolished whole towns, killing dozens and dozens of women and children in mere days, yet they've never been "terrorists."

assasinaiting one guy isn't something strange...

 

[Gandalf]

It's all fvcking messed up.. both parties have victims.. but only one is getting blamed..?? this is so not fair..?

 

[Zambrotta]

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++
It's all fvcking messed up.. both parties have victims.. but only one is getting blamed..?? this is so not fair..?

Just to check. You mean the israelians get all the blame?

 

[Juve_7]

++ [ originally posted by Sarah ] ++
Here we go again: (Taken from here)

International concern

The Israeli army confirmed that it had carried out the attack saying in a statement that Mr Rantissi was "a mastermind of terrorism... directly responsible for the killing of scores of Israelis in numerous terror attacks".

The US reiterated its policy that Israel "has the right to defend itself from terrorist attack". (WTF? And right, so states can just go around blowing up who ever they want as a form of protection? Oh, that's logical.)

But a White House spokesman added that the US "strongly urges Israel to consider carefully the consequences of its actions, and we again urge all parties to exercise maximum restraint at this time".

The Palestinian Authority condemned the killing, accusing Israel of "state terror".

"It is evident now to the world that the Palestinian people need international protection more than ever," Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat told the Reuters news agency.

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called 'targeted assassinations' of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive."

A spokesman for the Arab League, Hossam Zaki, said the organisation condemned the incident, describing it as "state terrorism".

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not only they kill him in cold blood but also have the nerve of calling him master mind of teroresim .... that master mind of terorisim was demolished yesterday with two of his assistants by a holicopter firing misiles ... not only that but to master there plan a few other explosions took part in Ghaza (the city where it all happened) just to dustract people and confuse them .....if Rantisi (God rest his sole) was the master mind of teroresim where does that place them ???!!!

 

[Gandalf]

++ [ originally posted by Zambrotta ] ++


Just to check. You mean the israelians get all the blame?

the way I see it.. israel took the palestinians land.. brought as maximum jews as they can to live there.. and expect that they won't face any resistance, but when they do.. they call this resistance a "terrorism"!!! then they go with their assasination strategy and explain them as "Self-Defence" methods..!! hello, don't forget where the first offence came from..

everybody have the right to defend himself.. even the palestinians who left out with no other options than suicide bombing.. when the "rock throwing!!" didn't seem to help that much..

it so sarcastic that the world deal with this as if it is a conflict between two powerful nations, while it is clear that one nation has one of the most powerful armies in the world(yes they even have nuclear power) and the other doesn't even have an organized police force..!!

 

[Zambrotta]

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++


the way I see it.. israel took the palestinians land.. brought as maximum jews as they can to live there.. and expect that they won't face any resistance, but when they do.. they call this resistance a "terrorism"!!! then they go with their assasination strategy and explain them as "Self-Defence" methods..!! hello, don't forget where the first offence came from..

everybody have the right to defend himself.. even the palestinians who left out with no other options than suicide bombing.. when the "rock throwing!!" didn't seem to help that much..

it so sarcastic that the world deal with this as if it is a conflict between two powerful nations, while it is clear that one nation has one of the most powerful armies in the world(yes they even have nuclear power) and the other doesn't even have an organized police force..!!

True.

To me it sounded like you ment the israelians because right now more or less everybody hates Israel or Sharon to be more precise.

 

[Amr]

may he rest in peace ..

 

[IncuboRossonero]

This thread should be closed.

 

[Gandalf]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
This thread should be closed.

why..??