Abortion, good or bad? (1 Viewer)

[Alucard Belmont]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

With all due respect Dom, that's so far from being relevant that I had to double-check the thread title

I think it is relevant enough.

 

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[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++



Have you ever eaten an egg?

I had one for breakfast.
Have you ever eaten chicken? Or beef? Or fish? Or since we are going down that line at all, a plant?

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

With all due respect Dom, that's so far from being relevant that I had to double-check the thread title

It's very much so relevant.
An abortion, means destroying the embryo. Concerning eggs it's the same, you basically eat the embryo. You don't see that egg as a living creature though, do you? An embryo isn't (technically) alive, so it isn't killing at all.

Add to that, even if it was killing I still wouldn't be against abortion.

edit: And add Alucard's good arguement as wel.

 

[Alucard Belmont]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


I had one for breakfast.
Have you ever eaten chicken? Or beef? Or fish? Or since we are going down that line at all, a plant?

yes, I do. but the question is how come you who value small life so much can do that barbarous thing. they're all god's creation after all.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Alucard Belmont ] ++


yes, I do. but the question is how come you who value small life so much can do that barbarous thing. they're all god's creation after all.

Same as the wheat that you ate this morning...

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++
Add to that, even if it was killing I still wouldn't be against abortion.

So you're not against murder, if it's convenient for yourself or another person?

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++
It's very much so relevant.
An abortion, means destroying the embryo. Concerning eggs it's the same, you basically eat the embryo. You don't see that egg as a living creature though, do you? An embryo isn't (technically) alive, so it isn't killing at all.

++ [ originally posted by Alucard Belmont ] ++
yes, I do. but the question is how come you who value small life so much can do that barbarous thing. they're all god's creation after all.

Get real, let's not bring this discussion down to technical "if this, then that"s.

Human life is infinitely more valuable than cows or pigs or chickens or spiders.

[OT] Ahh crap, I was planning not to get into this discussion [/OT]

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Boksic ] ++
I am strongly in favour of abortion. If a woman wants to have an abortion it is her choice. If the future child will be brought up in circumstances where the kid is not wanted or the parents simply could not possibly take care of a child due to poverty or various other issues, it is unfair to the child.

Also, should the featus be a result of a rape, are you seriously going to say that a woman should have that child?A child that would often be hated and have a poor standard of life!if you agree that an abortion should be allowed in this case and not another then you are deeply hypocritical as how can it be "murder" in one case and not another, when in both cases the child is unwanted.

Isnt it unfair to kill a child just because it is unwanted? the people who had sex should had been more careful and take care of their actions

Its like if Im going down the street in my car and I run over someone and I leave and not take responsability for the person I just killed

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Boksic ] ++
Nicole: You have to allow people to make their own mistakes, but those mistakes shouldnt ruin their lives.

Thats bullshit

You as a human being have a mind and should know whats wrong or right -if you made a mistake as huge as getting pregnant by accident you should assume the consequences and not take the easy path and get an abortion

 

[Alucard Belmont]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

So you're not against murder, if it's convenient for yourself or another person?
edit: And add Alucard's good arguement as wel.

Get real, let's not bring this discussion down to technical "if this, then that"s.

Human life is infinitely more valuable than cows or pigs or chickens or spiders.

[OT] Ahh crap, I was planning not to get into this discussion [/OT]

to be honest, I have very different view on this and doesn't want to continue farther cause it won't bring any result.
should have keep myself from this thread.

 

[Nicole]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


Thats bullshit

You as a human being have a mind and should know whats wrong or right -if you made a mistake as huge as getting pregnant by accident you should assume the consequences and not take the easy path and get an abortion

So Fabi, if you got pregnant and it was a mistake, you'd have the baby? Knowing it could ruin all ambitions you wanted to do?

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Alucard Belmont ] ++
to be honest, I have very different view on this and doesn't want to continue farther cause it won't bring any result.
should have keep myself from this thread.

In that case, your point of discussion right now isn't abortion at all; it goes all the way down to harvesting wheat and eating beef.

But as you said, we'll leave it at that.

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++


So Fabi, if you got pregnant and it was a mistake, you'd have the baby? Knowing it could ruin all ambitions you wanted to do?

Yes I would. I wouldnt deny that Id be disappointed and sad, but I gotta be responsible for what I do

If abortion is legalized then people are gonna be like ok lets have sex if you get pregnant youll just get an abortion and just repeat it over and over... afterall its legal and everyone can do it

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

So you're not against murder, if it's convenient for yourself or another person?

Depending on the circumstances.
Concerning this topic, I wouldn't be against murder if destroying a consiousless embryo would be known as 'murder'.

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Get real, let's not bring this discussion down to technical "if this, then that"s.


Human life is infinitely more valuable than cows or pigs or chickens or spiders.

Why shouldn't it be technical, the discussion is partially about wether or not abortion is murder. So when is it murder?

Besides it wasn't my point how important a chicken's life is compared to a human's life. My point was that an embryo isn't life yet at all!


Do you think it's murder as well when wasting your seed, while having sex or 'wanking'?

 

[Nicole]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


Yes I would. I wouldnt deny that Id be disappointed and sad, but I gotta be responsible for what I do

If abortion is legalized then people are gonna be like ok lets have sex if you get pregnant youll just get an abortion and just repeat it over and over... afterall its legal and everyone can do it

Thats just silly, listen I love kids. But, to literally end your life over a mistake, its so stupid.

Example.

Someone has sex, they use precaution but they still get pregnant? Is that fair? they get pregnant because a condom split is that fair? its just bad luck that it split, so because of that their lives and carears are written off like that?

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++

Do you think it's murder as well when wasting your seed, while having sex or 'wanking'?

Its not murder because its missing the female 'seed'. If not everytime a woman gets her period and wastes an egg it would be murder

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++


Thats just silly, listen I love kids. But, to literally end your life over a mistake, its so stupid.

Example.

Someone has sex, they use precaution but they still get pregnant? Is that fair? they get pregnant because a condom split is that fair? its just bad luck that it split, so because of that their lives and carears are written off like that?

Is it fair to take away a life because a condom split?
What is more important? your carreer or a new life?

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


Its not murder because its missing the female 'seed'. If not everytime a woman gets her period and wastes an egg it would be murder

No. It isn't murder, because it's not alive!

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++



No. It isn't murder, because it's not alive!

Exactly, but after the female and male 'seeds' join, it is the beginning of a new life. Hence itd be murder to get an abortion

 

[Nicole]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


Is it fair to take away a life because a condom split?
What is more important? your carreer or a new life?

I see where you coming from, and to a degree I agree, personally I'd probably have the baby as well BUT that doesnt mean if should be like that, its like so unfair. lets face it, if this happened the guy is unlikely to do anything, most guys would leave her. so its like all girls ever, who ever want to have sex in their lives, cant unless they make sure the GUY is responsible?

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


Exactly, but after the female and male 'seeds' join, it is the beginning of a new life. Hence itd be murder to get an abortion

When they join an embryo is created, an embryo is not a living organism.