Able Xavier Converts to Islam (15 Viewers)

[IrishZebra]

Okay let's draw a line under it.

 

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[Ian]

Okay let's draw a line under it.

Indeed. It's beside the point anyway. It doesn't take pedophilia to discredit a prophet. People will believe in him if they want to anyway. Obviously, this belief serves some purpose to those people, but I can't figure out what that could possibly be and how it could be worth giving up your humanity...

 

[IrishZebra]

The fact that most of what he's said isn't true should discredit him enough.

 

[Fred]

Oh come on... They are sooooo touchy. I didn't say right or wrong, but they are touchy. Even "moderate muslims" get up in arms over down right silly things like Danish cartoons. My point was that people should know which buttons not to press with muslims and everything would be easier...



I never said any of that, my point was that every religious believer is touchy about certain things, some more so than others. To me, it's all ludicrous and silly, but if that's how people are it behooves one to acknowledge that fact and deal with it appropriately.



You're just backing up my point here. Of course if someone is talking about Islam and they don't know what they're talking about (according to you), then they are insulting you and your religion, hence you're touchy.

If you read the rest of my post you'd realize that I'm not trying to denigrate muslims or any other religion. I'm merely stating that religion is used by those with capital to control those without and to further concentrate capital in the hands of the few. All religions work this way. If you personally feel the need to believe in something, that's your own business, but when your belief in something infringes on others ability to conduct their lives as they see fit, then I have a problem with it. That is all.

Ah, a fan of Karl Marx i see.

 

[Martin]

Ah, a fan of Karl Marx i see.

Riiight, as if Karl Marx is the only one who ever had that thought.

 

[Fred]

Riiight, as if Karl Marx is the only one who ever had that thought.

No, i was just making an observation that Ian was a Karl Marx fan.


That part i bolded was exactly what Marx said about religion, almost in the same words, plus most Catalan nationalists are marxist. Lead me to the observation that Ian was a Marxist.

 

[IrishZebra]

At least the insane grand theory of life proposed by Marx is back up by formulae and real time evidence, not the word of some randomer that developed dementia and started his own religion...

 

[Martin]

Fred:
Isn't it funny how you and I come into these situations all the time where we almost have our swords drawn, but then we mellow out?

It's like a paranoid person. "Who's there, is someone coming to get me? Oh, it's just the wind *phew*"

 

[Fred]

Fred:
Isn't it funny how you and I come into these situations all the time where we almost have our swords drawn, but then we mellow out?

It's like a paranoid person. "Who's there, is someone coming to get me? Oh, it's just the wind *phew*"

You're always the one that first takes out his sword

 

[Ahmed]

You're always the one that first takes out his sword

 

[Martin]

You're always the one that first takes out his sword

I said "almost" I've never fought you yet

 

[Fred]

You see Martin, you have to be careful with the expressions you use, as we have some rather dirty minds around here

 

[Martin]

You see Martin, you have to be careful with the expressions you use, as we have some rather dirty minds around here

I am not responsible for what happens in Ahmed's brain

 

[Zé Tahir]

You're always the one that first takes out his sword

So true. It's true Martin

 

[Martin]

That's always what the other side says

 

[Alen]

Ah, a fan of Karl Marx i see.

Few pages back he did state that those are Marx's words.

And can somebody finally tell me in what state did Abu Sufyan die?

 

[ReBeL]

Few pages back he did state that those are Marx's words.

And can somebody finally tell me in what state did Abu Sufyan die?

He died during Othman Ben Affan's ruling period. Othman Ben Affan was the third Kalife who ruled after Abu Bakr and Omar...

Is that ok?

 

[Alen]

He died during Othman Ben Affan's ruling period. Othman Ben Affan was the third Kalife who ruled after Abu Bakr and Omar...

Is that ok?

Actually, it's not telling me anything about his state at the time of his death

 

[Osman]

You speak out of ignorance and hate. People of that time had different moral standards from us and they believed them to be as good and just as ours today. Who are you to judge them for that? The rate of infant mortality and death from childbirth was so great, in antiquity, that the mores surrounding marriage and sex were formed to continue the population. We have the luxury of considering peoples mental and physical well-being ahead of the need to continue the population. People of antiquity had no such luxury.

The biggiest fallacy people do regarding history is impose or judge our way of thinking and standards to people throughout our history. Shows zip of understanding and only encourages more ignorance.


P.S Not just for religious reason, but I would recommend people to read up on history of when Islam came up, how society and life was then, fascinating read (or seeing, in documentaries). In general Islamic history is not that well known to general public and is very interesting (agree with Alen regarding Osmanian empire's history ).

 

[ReBeL]

Actually, it's not telling me anything about his state at the time of his death

I told you previously he lost his eyes in two later battles for Islam. When Prophet Mohammad died, Abu Sufyan was his representative in Najran, now a city in South Saudi Arabia close to Yemen. His son, Muaweya, became a Khalefa later, and his son, Yazeed, was one of the skillful military leaders at that time. He died in Medina when he was in his 80s.

Nothing else was mentioned about him in history books.