Able Xavier Converts to Islam (27 Viewers)

[Zé Tahir]

If you're an Ahmadi, as your surname suggests (sorry if I'm wrong), you should be knowing the feeling of being misunderstood and ruled out by the other groups of Muslims. So if my assumption is right, I'm surprised how you made such simpleminded statements about another branch of your religion.

Alawis are a branch of Twelvers and the majority of Iranians are Twelvers as well. Alawis consider Ali as the true successor of Muhammad but they never consider him as God or as God in flesh. They do their prayers like the other Muslims (with minor differences of course) and they do believe in Qoran.

My surname is not "Ahmadi" it's "Ahmad" and that has nothing to do with my sect. I never claimed to be an expert, matter of fact I stated that if someone knows to correct me. You simply negated everything I said and that wasn't really helpful. A bit ticked off maybe?

Thanks for the explaining it now though

Tahir, I studied the Islamic sects once, and I have to say some notes here...

The sect that considers Ali a God are the Sabai people, not the Alawis. These Sabais almost disappeared. They are the followers of Abdullah Ibn Sabaa, the guy who was living during Prophet Mohammad's life.

Alawis and Druze are not considered Islamic sects because they don't do the simple Islamic duties.

Shiaa are an Islamic sect because they do the basic Islamic duties, but have some differences with Sunna on historical issues.

Cheers.

I was trying to find info online but there is very little info. on them. Supposedly only select few among the Alawi's are privileged with certain of their beliefs.

 

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[ReBeL]

Cheers.

I was trying to find info online but there is very little info. on them. Supposedly only select few among the Alawi's are privileged with certain of their beliefs.

Exactly. Not all Alwais and Druze know what their religion is about in specific. Only specific people have their holy book, and claim to know the right thing for them.

 

[king Ale]

My surname is not "Ahmadi" it's "Ahmad" and that has nothing to do with my sect.

I'm sorry then. In Iran people' surnames can help you find out a thing or two about their history

I never claimed to be an expert, matter of fact I stated that if someone knows to correct me. You simply negated everything I said and that wasn't really helpful. A bit ticked off maybe?

Not at all. What was I supposed to add to what I wrote there? You got it all wrong and I just pointed that out.

Thanks for the explaining it now though

:smile:

 

[Dostoevsky]

Ok now this looks more friendly.

I'm tired, who's gonna take second shift?

 

[Azzurri7]

Exactly. Not all Alwais and Druze know what their religion is about in specific. Only specific people have their holy book, and claim to know the right thing for them.

Druz they don't know about their religion until a certain age.



Btw, not so many people know much about Shi'aa here I figured out...They're also misinformed about several things, I would like to explain and share because as a Shi'aa myself I feel like I should but maybe tomorrow because it's going to take me lot of typing.

 

[Alen]

Ok now this looks more friendly. ....

... and you had absolutely nothing to do with it

 

[Zé Tahir]

In Pakistan you can (sometimes) find out a bit about the person by their name if his/her 'zaat' (title indicating where you trace your heritage from) is part of their name, e.g., Syed, Malik, Shah, etc. Though to me that means nothing.

 

[king Ale]

Btw, not so many people know much about Shi'aa here I figured out...They're also misinformed about several things, I would like to explain and share because as a Shi'aa myself I feel like I should but maybe tomorrow because it's going to take me lot of typing.

I was a Shi'a btw. It'd be very nice to hear what you're gonna say

 

[Dostoevsky]

... and you had absolutely nothing to do with it

I know, at least it sounds good.

 

[ReBeL]

Druz they don't know about their religion until a certain age.



Btw, not so many people know much about Shi'aa here I figured out...They're also misinformed about several things, I would like to explain and share because as a Shi'aa myself I feel like I should but maybe tomorrow because it's going to take me lot of typing.

I'd like to hear what you will say. I know some things about them, but never saw one face to face.

 

[king Ale]

In Pakistan you can (sometimes) find out a bit about the person by their name if his/her 'zaat' (title indicating where you trace your heritage from) is part of their name, e.g., Syed, Malik, Shah, etc. Though to me that means nothing.

About Syed it's the same in Iran but what about Malik or Shah? Does it suggest that their predecessors were kings or what?

 

[Azzurri7]

I was a Shi'a btw. It'd be very nice to hear what you're gonna say

You're not anymore?

 

[Zé Tahir]

I'd like to hear what you will say. I know some things about them, but never saw one face to face.

You've never seen Shia people?

Last year when I was in Pakistan I happened to be there during Muharram. All of Pakistan pretty much freaks out during that time period...like there are no functions, no weddings, stores close at odd times, etc. TV is loaded with scary recitations of the Holy Qur'an by all black dressed Shia's. I went to the part of my hometown which is predominately Shia and sat in the car waiting for their 'walk' (no idea what it's called) with the adorned horse. The police advised us to be careful and shit but it was too fascinating...to bad I missed the rest. Next year I hope to catch all the excitement

 

[ReBeL]

You've never seen Shia people?

Last year when I was in Pakistan I happened to be there during Muharram. All of Pakistan pretty much freaks out during that time period...like there are no functions, no weddings, stores close at odd times, etc. TV is loaded with scary recitations of the Holy Qur'an by all black dressed Shia's. I went to the part of my hometown which is predominately Shia and sat in the car waiting for their 'walk' (no idea what it's called) with the adorned horse. The police advised us to be careful and shit but it was too fascinating...to bad I missed the rest. Next year I hope to catch all the excitement

Not yet. We don't have shiia here, and even when I went abroad to other countries, I don't remember I faced any.

 

[Alen]

I heard half of Shia male population looks like Ahmadinejad and the other half looks like Menez.

 

[Fred]

Aren't you living in Jordan Abed? If you are, theres plenty of Iraqi's there, which means there are probably plenty of Shiites. Sometimes, especially when they are a minority they just don't like to disclose their sect for some reason.

 

[Azzurri7]

I heard half of Shia male population looks like Ahmadinejad and the other half looks like Menez.

That's a good one

 

[Ahmed]

You've never seen Shia people?

Last year when I was in Pakistan I happened to be there during Muharram. All of Pakistan pretty much freaks out during that time period...like there are no functions, no weddings, stores close at odd times, etc. TV is loaded with scary recitations of the Holy Qur'an by all black dressed Shia's. I went to the part of my hometown which is predominately Shia and sat in the car waiting for their 'walk' (no idea what it's called) with the adorned horse. The police advised us to be careful and shit but it was too fascinating...to bad I missed the rest. Next year I hope to catch all the excitement

saw that stuff once, totally freaked me out

 

[ReBeL]

Aren't you living in Jordan Abed? If you are, theres plenty of Iraqi's there, which means there are probably plenty of Shiites.

Iraqis have their own neighborhoods here. They occupied some of the rich neighborhoods as they were too wealthy when they came here. Don't ask me where their money came from

But even though they are here, they can not celebrate their traditional days like Ashura publicly like in Iraq and Iran, because the government doesn't really like them.

Sometimes, especially when they are a minority they just don't like to disclose their sect for some reason.

You are right. That reason is called Tuqya.

 

[Alen]

You are right. That reason is called Tuqya.

Is that Arabic for fear?