A second look at Virginia Tech (18 Viewers)

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Well, at least here, students with disabilities are given the same attention, as in time on tests, et cetera.

I think all schools have to do so.
Well some schools take it to a higher extent than others. Plus at smaller schools it is way easier for professors to interact with students on a personal level. You know, offer 1 v.1 sessions, tutoring, etc.
 
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    Well you've got to realize that a university like Virginia Tech doesn't prioritize students feelings, emotions, or problems. I don't think any major university in the world does. The whole point of education at a place like Virginia Tech is to weed out those who can't cut it. Especially in the engineering program which is one of the most competitive programs in the nation. I'm not saying to let the professors off the hook here, in fact not at all. You need to realize that these professors are not really equipped to handle students with special needs. To expect compassion in such a rigorous and competitive setting is a bit like hoping for sunshine in the middle of the night. It's not likely to happen.
    To tell you the truth, I'm already quite shocked and worried by how pedagogically incompetent a lot of university teachers are. They have no requirements at all to do any theory that deals with this stuff, not even special needs or psychology, but just How to teach 101. Most people have enough common sense to figure out how to do it, but I've run into some imbeciles in my time.

    I'm not saying that the parents should have seen their kid killing people in the future because he went to a big school. If you think I've said that then you are completely over analyzing my posts. I'm just saying sending any kid with a special need, especially one of this magnitude where the kid could stop all communication because of social pressures, isn't the greatest catalyst for success. There are schools that do go out of their way to help people.

    I don't think anyone is saying the death of 30 people is nothing to worry about. If anything it speaks volumes about the way Virginia Tech handles students with special needs. It's hardly a reflection of society as a whole. Considering not everyone bullies and not everyone condones it. But as of right now it is a part of life. It shouldn't happen, but it does. It will probably always happen on some level, no matter what country or era you live in. There will always be assholes.

    Really the only thing we can do is work with kids to be able to deal with it. Joining clubs, sports teams, after school programs are constructive ways to avoid bullying and make friends.
    You're right, but my point with all this is that a society that has been through something like this shooting needs to take a good look at itself, and admit that it's the environment that is responsible for the individuals it produces, they do not suddenly come out of the ground and open fire.

    Society is ALWAYS responsible for its members, however much some like to say "as long as I obey the law and pay my taxes I don't give a fuck".
     
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    Society is ALWAYS responsible for its members, however much some like to say "as long as I obey the law and pay my taxes I don't give a fuck".
    Your quote generalizes a bit eh?

    I see it differently, society isn't ALWAYS responsible for it's members. The Bigger Thomas argument does have validity in some cases, but how can society be completely responsible for every bad act committed? Virginia Tech aside, every single murder, rape, bombing, arson, whatever isn't caused by society. Sure society plays some part in everyone's life, but at what point do those involved take personal responsibility?

    That brings us to a realm that is off topic from the thread. But you did open the door.
     
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    Your quote generalizes a bit eh?

    I see it differently, society isn't ALWAYS responsible for it's members. The Bigger Thomas argument does have validity in some cases, but how can society be completely responsible for every bad act committed? Virginia Tech aside, every single murder, rape, bombing, arson, whatever isn't caused by society. Sure society plays some part in everyone's life, but at what point do those involved take personal responsibility?

    That brings us to a realm that is off topic from the thread. But you did open the door.
    Not for every bad act, but for its members. Someone can just decide to do something stupid or evil one day, fine. But if people are struggling around us then I think we are guilty if we don't do anything. Unless we've already tried everything and nothing worked.

    Individuals are always responsible for their own actions, but we should recognize the circumstances that put them there, circumstances often caused by society.
     

    Vinman

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    Well, it's our typical American response to everything, right?

    He's a pussy, he's different, there must be something wrong him, he's a faggot, he's not a patriot, he's a communist, he's a terrorist, et cetera. It's all the same thing.
    get off the soapbox, Andy.... with the way you've been acting lately, I can see you may be the next one to snap

    repeat after me..."serenity now....serenity now...." :p

    Do you have anything constructive to say? Or are you all set with the kid who was bullied and killed people?
    yeah, it makes me so warm inside :rolleyes:

    He likes bullying. It gives him more business.
    theres plenty of other situations to deal with, so that business doesnt slow down...take public intoxication as an example. Know anything about that, Andrew ??!!:eyebrows:

    Well you've got to realize that a university like Virginia Tech doesn't prioritize students feelings, emotions, or problems. I don't think any major university in the world does. The whole point of education at a place like Virginia Tech is to weed out those who can't cut it. Especially in the engineering program which is one of the most competitive programs in the nation. I'm not saying to let the professors off the hook here, in fact not at all. You need to realize that these professors are not really equipped to handle students with special needs. To expect compassion in such a rigorous and competitive setting is a bit like hoping for sunshine in the middle of the night. It's not likely to happen.

    I'm not saying that the parents should have seen their kid killing people in the future because he went to a big school. If you think I've said that then you are completely over analyzing my posts. I'm just saying sending any kid with a special need, especially one of this magnitude where the kid could stop all communication because of social pressures, isn't the greatest catalyst for success. There are schools that do go out of their way to help people.

    I don't think anyone is saying the death of 30 people is nothing to worry about. If anything it speaks volumes about the way Virginia Tech handles students with special needs. It's hardly a reflection of society as a whole. Considering not everyone bullies and not everyone condones it. But as of right now it is a part of life. It shouldn't happen, but it does. It will probably always happen on some level, no matter what country or era you live in. There will always be assholes.

    Really the only thing we can do is work with kids to be able to deal with it. Joining clubs, sports teams, after school programs are constructive ways to avoid bullying and make friends.
    thank you again, Aaron, for saying me the typing :tup:
     

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    Not for every bad act, but for its members. Someone can just decide to do something stupid or evil one day, fine. But if people are struggling around us then I think we are guilty if we don't do anything. Unless we've already tried everything and nothing worked.

    Individuals are always responsible for their own actions, but we should recognize the circumstances that put them there, circumstances often caused by society.
    Sounds good. Just needed verification.
     

    Vinman

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    We're talking about prevention here. If you think everything is fine the way it is, then nothing is likely to change, is it?
    no matter what we do, there is NO guarantee that something like this will never happen again

    I believe in getting the mentally ill all the help they can get (there are plenty of mentally ill people out there, with varying degrees of illness), but I cannot condone this kids actions as somehow being justifiable.
     

    Lilith

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    A little bit off topic but still related.

    I think you make a good point when you say society should look at their actions as well. Sometimes however these people don't even think what they are doing is wrong . For instance, I worked at this place where this creature also worked. The creature didn't like a lot of people, and I think it hated me the most. Anyway this creature used to bully people and also try to get them fired when it didn't like them. In most of cases it succeeded except in mine because I was always well liked by my bosses. It did however make my life hell. The creature never succeeded and eventually I left of my own accord. The creature (who was really evil incarnate) eventually got fired. :xmas: However to this day, the creature always tells my friends that it doesn't know how such bad things could happen to it since it was always such a good person. That got some jaw dropping reactions from people because even those that got along with it saw the true nature of the beast and thought it was evil incarnate as well. Anyway my point is, how do we get society to take a look at itself when society sometimes tends to have this skewed vision that it's perfect?
     

    Bjerknes

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    no matter what we do, there is NO guarantee that something like this will never happen again

    I believe in getting the mentally ill all the help they can get (there are plenty of mentally ill people out there, with varying degrees of illness), but I cannot condone this kids actions as somehow being justifiable.
    People who are bullied = mentally ill

    All makes sense now.

    School shootings? Who cares. Let them increase.
     

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