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Muha said:
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are there any "good" fatah politicins?
are there any "good" fatah politicins?
Farouq Qaddumi, who is Fatah big person since Arafat died, is arguable man...
He never agreed on the peace Oslo agreement, never went back to the Palestinian lands when everybody else of their leadership went back, because he thought that going back there will amke it easy for Israel to get rid of all the Palestinian leaders once and ever...
He's living in Tunisia right now, and has good relations with everybody in the Palestinian organizations...
By the way, the good news today say that 2 Palestinian buisnessmen gifted their people an amount of 5 million US dollars... I know those 5 millions are not enough, but it's a step in the right path IMO...
No, there were two consecutive heads for Majles Tashreei during Arafat's reign:
1- Ahmad Qurai'i: who became a prime minister later...
2- Rawhi Fattuh: He was the Majles's head when Arafat died...
Majles Tashreei is elected by only Palestinians who are inside Palestine, and since Qaddumi never entered Palestine, he wasn't a member in the Majles Tashreei...
He's a member in the National Palestinian Board (Majles Watani) which was chosen by Palestinians out of Palestine...
1- Ahmad Qurai'i: who became a prime minister later...
2- Rawhi Fattuh: He was the Majles's head when Arafat died...
Majles Tashreei is elected by only Palestinians who are inside Palestine, and since Qaddumi never entered Palestine, he wasn't a member in the Majles Tashreei...
He's a member in the National Palestinian Board (Majles Watani) which was chosen by Palestinians out of Palestine...
An Israeli firm providing the only fuel source to the Palestinians has decided to cut off supplies because of mounting Palestinian Authority (PA) debts.
The Palestinian Petroleum Agency head said he expected petrol and cooking gas would run out within hours.
The PA has faced financial crisis since foreign aid was frozen after Hamas - regarded as a terrorist movement by the US and EU - won elections in January.
A plan to channel donor aid directly to the Palestinians was agreed on Tuesday.
Outside pressure
The Palestinian Authority is reported to owe the Israeli company Dor Energy about $26m. The company has been the sole provider of gasoline to Palestinian areas since the mid-1990s.
"There will be an economic catastrophe," Palestinian Petroleum Agency chief Mujahed Salameh was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying of the threat to halt fuel deliveries.
"Many factories, bakeries and transport will stop working."
Mr Salameh said that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was speaking to US and European officials in the hopes of pressuring Israel into ensuring that the flow of fuel continues.
In the West Bank petrol stations have already begun rationing fuel, with Reuters saying that motorists can buy a maximum of 100 shekels ($23) of fuel.
"I only have 96 (octane) petrol. It will be gone in two hours," Suheil Jaber, a petrol station owner in Ramallah, told Reuters.
Hamas bypassed
This is the latest crisis to hit Palestinian areas where the effects of the foreign aid freeze are being sorely felt, according to David Shearer, head of the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the Palestinian territories.
PHP:
PA FINANCIAL CRISIS
$166m: PA's monthly wage bill
PA employs 165,000 people
25% of people in West Bank and Gaza depend on PA wages"People are selling jewellery, they're cutting back on vegetables, on fruit, the food that in a sense is most important particularly for children, and it also has a real knock-on effect on the services, the hospitals," Mr Shearer told the BBC.
On Tuesday the so-called Middle East Quartet announced plan to channel aid directly to the Palestinians, bypassing the Hamas-led PA.
The EU, UN, Russia and the US said they would set up a "temporary international mechanism" to channel the money for an initial three-month period.
People's relief
The US also said it would separately give $10m (£5.4m) in aid to the Palestinians through medical and children's charities.
The BBC's Alan Johnson in Gaza says the news was greeted with relief by Palestinians on the streets.
PHP:
This is a democratically elected Gov that does not agree with Western Governments ideas and stands up for its people
Steven Sid, Glasgow, UK"We appreciate every effort in order to help the Palestinian people by legal channels... and the legal channel is the Palestinian Authority, whether the presidency or the government," Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar told reporters, the Associated Press news agency said.
Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told Israel Army Radio the plan was acceptable to Israel.
"As far as we are concerned, the Quartet's decision to give further humanitarian support to the Palestinian Authority, bypassing the Hamas government, is definitely okay," she said.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/4758471.stm
Published: 2006/05/10 15:05:25 GMT
Now, with initiatives like this one, peace can become a reality:
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Haifa mayor: I agree to refugees' return
In interview to Israeli-Arab newspaper, town's Head Yahav says he does not object to Palestinians going back to Haifa in framework of peace deal between Israel and PA.
Haifa Mayor Yona Yahav said he does not object to the return of Palestinian refugees to the northern town in the framework of a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
In an interview to Israeli-Arab newspaper Kul al-Arab, Yahav was asked whether he accepts, "theoretically and in principle," the return to the town of tens of thousands of Palestinians that emigrated from Haifa in 1948.
"Basically," Yahav replied, "I don't see any reason why some of the Palestinian residents should not go back to Haifa in the framework of deal that would be accepted and signed by the Israeli government, and that would put an end to the conflict with the Palestinian people."
Yahav added that he sympathized with the Palestinian exiles' pain. "I'll tell you frankly that I feel deeply for the refugees and their suffering and hope that their problem is solved, as my father has also tasted the bitter taste of loss and exile after he fled Germany," he explained.
During the interview, the mayor was also asked how he believes the conflict between the two people can be resolved, and answered: "Woe to us if we don’t make peace. We have no other option but to talk, engage in dialogue and find pragmatic solutions. There is no justification for this continued bloodshed, as the blood is spilled in vain."
When asked whether he was not concerned about a growth in the rate of Arabs in the city's population, Yahav said this did not worry him at all. "Arabs currently make up about 13 percent of the town's population. I would be happy to see many educated Arabs come here."
The Haifa Municipality spokesman, Tzhai Terno, commented on Yahav's statements: "The reporter asked if Yahav would agree to a return of the refugees in the framework of a deal between the Israeli government and the Palestinians, and he said he would accept any agreement signed by Israel."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3250019,00.html
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Haifa mayor: I agree to refugees' return
In interview to Israeli-Arab newspaper, town's Head Yahav says he does not object to Palestinians going back to Haifa in framework of peace deal between Israel and PA.
Haifa Mayor Yona Yahav said he does not object to the return of Palestinian refugees to the northern town in the framework of a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
In an interview to Israeli-Arab newspaper Kul al-Arab, Yahav was asked whether he accepts, "theoretically and in principle," the return to the town of tens of thousands of Palestinians that emigrated from Haifa in 1948.
"Basically," Yahav replied, "I don't see any reason why some of the Palestinian residents should not go back to Haifa in the framework of deal that would be accepted and signed by the Israeli government, and that would put an end to the conflict with the Palestinian people."
Yahav added that he sympathized with the Palestinian exiles' pain. "I'll tell you frankly that I feel deeply for the refugees and their suffering and hope that their problem is solved, as my father has also tasted the bitter taste of loss and exile after he fled Germany," he explained.
During the interview, the mayor was also asked how he believes the conflict between the two people can be resolved, and answered: "Woe to us if we don’t make peace. We have no other option but to talk, engage in dialogue and find pragmatic solutions. There is no justification for this continued bloodshed, as the blood is spilled in vain."
When asked whether he was not concerned about a growth in the rate of Arabs in the city's population, Yahav said this did not worry him at all. "Arabs currently make up about 13 percent of the town's population. I would be happy to see many educated Arabs come here."
The Haifa Municipality spokesman, Tzhai Terno, commented on Yahav's statements: "The reporter asked if Yahav would agree to a return of the refugees in the framework of a deal between the Israeli government and the Palestinians, and he said he would accept any agreement signed by Israel."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3250019,00.html
Jeeks said:
Generous maybe, but expensive
He offered all what he got before even marrying her...
Anyway, I'm afraid we are so away from the subject of the thread now
although I think female "artists" like her had a "remarkable" effect on the Arab politics...
World Cup unity in the West Bank
By Martin Patience
BBC News website, Jerusalem
It is about the only issue Israelis and Palestinians can agree upon. The TV subscription rates to watch the football World Cup are too high.
In a region where disagreement is the norm between Israelis and Palestinians, the beautiful game has led to a degree of unity among the fans.
Furious Israeli football fans are staging a consumer rebellion that has prompted a parliamentary probe and already led to a reduction in prices.
Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza are fervently trying to circumvent charges of up to $600 (£325) and watch matches on pirate TV channels which are pledging to broadcast the games free of charge.
"Football is very far from politics," says Khaldoun al-Nadi, manager of the Olmonds Bar in the West Bank city of Ramallah, explaining the common ground between the fans. "For many people it's more important than politics."
While neither Israel nor Palestine (as the team is designated, even if there is no state of that name) qualified for the World Cup in Germany, interest in the tournament is intense in this part of the world.
Some fans have donned Brazilian football tops - which seems to be the country with most support from both sides - shops are stocked with memorabilia, and bars in Israel are gearing up for a busy month of business.
Making light of the sporting unity, the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz published a cartoon showing Israelis clambering over the West Bank security barrier to join Palestinian farmers to watch the tournament for free.
"We're all one family," says an Israeli in the sketch.
'Time to make friends'
Among some Israeli politicians the issue of TV subscription fees has become something of a cause celebre.
There have been calls for the Israeli treasury to subsidise fans wishing to tune in.
One politician, getting carried away with the football fever, said the issue could bring down the government.
Originally, Israeli fans were going to have to fork out more than $200 to watch the tournament but that has now fallen to around about $70.
But this has not been enough to placate the angry fans.
"In football they make a lot of money and it's the most popular sport in the world," says Shay Nir, 29, an engineer in Jerusalem. "I'm not going to pay."
But Israel and the Palestinian territories are not the only places where supporters are being asked to fork out to watch the World Cup.
Fans in Poland and Italy will need to pay to access some of the games. In the West Bank and Gaza territories viewers are being asked to cough up $600 to a Saudi-based satellite channel - too much for most Palestinians.
"It's a lot of money, especially when the situation is so bad," says carpenter Fadi Said, 25, referring to the economic sanctions that have been imposed on the Palestinians following Hamas' election victory in January.
While the football World Cup's official slogan may be "a time to make friends", most Israelis and Palestinians football fans agree that their newfound agreement will not last long - probably until the final whistle of the World Cup.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/5060164.stm
By Martin Patience
BBC News website, Jerusalem
It is about the only issue Israelis and Palestinians can agree upon. The TV subscription rates to watch the football World Cup are too high.
In a region where disagreement is the norm between Israelis and Palestinians, the beautiful game has led to a degree of unity among the fans.
Furious Israeli football fans are staging a consumer rebellion that has prompted a parliamentary probe and already led to a reduction in prices.
Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza are fervently trying to circumvent charges of up to $600 (£325) and watch matches on pirate TV channels which are pledging to broadcast the games free of charge.
"Football is very far from politics," says Khaldoun al-Nadi, manager of the Olmonds Bar in the West Bank city of Ramallah, explaining the common ground between the fans. "For many people it's more important than politics."
While neither Israel nor Palestine (as the team is designated, even if there is no state of that name) qualified for the World Cup in Germany, interest in the tournament is intense in this part of the world.
Some fans have donned Brazilian football tops - which seems to be the country with most support from both sides - shops are stocked with memorabilia, and bars in Israel are gearing up for a busy month of business.
Making light of the sporting unity, the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz published a cartoon showing Israelis clambering over the West Bank security barrier to join Palestinian farmers to watch the tournament for free.
"We're all one family," says an Israeli in the sketch.
'Time to make friends'
Among some Israeli politicians the issue of TV subscription fees has become something of a cause celebre.
There have been calls for the Israeli treasury to subsidise fans wishing to tune in.
One politician, getting carried away with the football fever, said the issue could bring down the government.
Originally, Israeli fans were going to have to fork out more than $200 to watch the tournament but that has now fallen to around about $70.
But this has not been enough to placate the angry fans.
"In football they make a lot of money and it's the most popular sport in the world," says Shay Nir, 29, an engineer in Jerusalem. "I'm not going to pay."
But Israel and the Palestinian territories are not the only places where supporters are being asked to fork out to watch the World Cup.
Fans in Poland and Italy will need to pay to access some of the games. In the West Bank and Gaza territories viewers are being asked to cough up $600 to a Saudi-based satellite channel - too much for most Palestinians.
"It's a lot of money, especially when the situation is so bad," says carpenter Fadi Said, 25, referring to the economic sanctions that have been imposed on the Palestinians following Hamas' election victory in January.
While the football World Cup's official slogan may be "a time to make friends", most Israelis and Palestinians football fans agree that their newfound agreement will not last long - probably until the final whistle of the World Cup.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/5060164.stm
well, palestinian situation is kinda the one here ( although the levels of violence and USA intromision arent the same). There was Alvaro Uribe and Carlos Gaviria in the presidential thing. in all polls Carlos gaviria was gaining people while Uribe was losing supporters ( to the camapaign close of uribe around 80k people went, meanwhile to the gaviria close, more than 120k people went), but uribe is the USA's choice so what were the final results: uribe won by a 60% of the votes, while gaviria got 22%. in all the polls made during the presidential thing, uribe began with 60% and gaviria with 15% and in the final one uribe had 49% and gaviria 28%, gotta love USA intromision!. point is: had carlos gaviria won, we'd be in a lot of conflict now, no matter what he would have done as a president, simply because he wasnt the US choice for president here. Now just put hamas and the other guy instead of gaviria and uribe. USA will try to make whoever wins govern for them or they will have them gone,simple as that
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